Dorks.

Nordic_redhaired_Bvll said:

Again you can also read stories of their success. And I don't think inhibitions and risk are that valid of a reason either. Obviously it carries with it some risk but do you seriously believe that someone with sub 100 iq (Lets say 99 for this example) would literally be unable to find and locate a prostitute without getting shot the majority of the time? you do know that all sex is risky right? Do you think that there is a mental block that this person would have that a 101 would not?

Yes but you can read far more stories of people getting GFs succesfully, that's my point. We are talking about a person that can't get a GF not a normal person. AKA as i wrote here. Maybe 100 IQ isnt the cut off, that was just an example, but there is some cutoff in america.

fkiblaze said:

Have you ever been to truck stops? it's not like prostitutes live there. Probably only 1% of truckers ever meet one if you actually polled the stat. More probably smoke meth than have had a prostitute in real life, and smoking meth isn't like the majority either, so it's not going to actually be that common.
Look dude to simplify this, honestly ask this question to yourself and examine your own life, which would be easier for you, assuming you are American, getting a GF or getting a prostitute. Im sure most men on this site would say, "well yea, it's not that hard for me to get a GF, so i can go out and do that, but im probably going to have to do some work and research and so on to get a prostitutes vs just going to the local bar and picking up a girl." Now then imagine yourself as someone who's never been able to get a GF, which is something most men are able to do, would not getting a prostitute be just as hard or harder for him if he cant do the thing you find easier in your own life? Yes you can say to him, "bro just do this research and these things, etc" but you can also say the exact same thing for a GF, IE guys learning red pill/PUA stuff on the internet. If he has to learn and get experience it makes far more sense to learn how to get a GF which is easier.

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that if getting a prostitutes in America is just as simple or complex as getting a GF, then how could you expect someone who cant even get a GF to get a prostitute when their difficult levels are about the same in America.

fkiblaze said:

Have you ever been to truck stops? it's not like prostitutes live there. Probably only 1% of truckers ever meet one if you actually polled the stat. More probably smoke meth than have had a prostitute in real life, and smoking meth isn't like the majority either, so it's not going to actually be that common.
Look dude to simplify this, honestly ask this question to yourself and examine your own life, which would be easier for you, assuming you are American, getting a GF or getting a prostitute. Im sure most men on this site would say, "well yea, it's not that hard for me to get a GF, so i can go out and do that, but im probably going to have to do some work and research and so on to get a prostitutes vs just going to the local bar and picking up a girl." Now then imagine yourself as someone who's never been able to get a GF, which is something most men are able to do, would not getting a prostitute be just as hard or harder for him if he cant do the thing you find easier in your own life. Yes you can say to him, "bro just do this research and these things, etc" but you can also do the exact same thing for a GF, IE guys learning red pill/PUA stuff on the internet. If he has to learn and get experience it makes far more sense to learn how to get a GF which is easier.

Now we are moving back to what I was arguing for earlier. I did say that finding someone for sex was easy, I also said that one of the biggest determinators for who has sex is who actively tries to get it the most and that most "incels" If they dedicated their lives to just getting laid like they were doing an any% speedrun could. Prostitution was but one stop that we looked at in that conversation (truck stop if you would). My argument from the start was incelism is mostly a mental thing not a physical. Like someone having anxiety or other inhibitions that kept them from seriously dating or finding a partner and that if we removed those inhibitions completely there would be very few actual truecels.

Women also suffer from those same inhibitions about having sex and if we are to deem an average man with mental health issues as an incel because of inhibitions holding him back then femcels also must exist because women too suffer from those same illments

fkiblaze said:

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that if getting a prostitutes in America is just as simple or complex as getting a GF, then how could you expect someone who cant even get a GF to get a prostitute when their difficult levels are about the same in America.

Yeah but it's still an alternative route to the dating market. Someone with certain issues facially could potentially have an easier time getting laid using that route depending. Again my argument from the start was that you set the standard way too low not that they didn't exist. I think the fact that you are now softly moving away from that position and trying to argue murder rates and gang logistics show that you are realizing this too. If we add dating into the mix then your position of "I consider a sub 100 iq american wagie to be a truecell" to be even more ridicilous. My position is pretty steadfast a truecel if they even exist must be near disabled, butt fucking ugly etc for me to even entertain that they could be considered that

Nordic_redhaired_Bvll said:

Now we are moving back to what I was arguing for earlier. I did say that finding someone for sex was easy, I also said that one of the biggest determinators for who has sex is who actively tries to get it the most and that most "incels" If they dedicated their lives to just getting laid like they were doing an any% speedrun could. Prostitution was but one stop that we looked at in that conversation (truck stop if you would). My argument from the start was incelism is mostly a mental thing not a physical. Like someone having anxiety or other inhibitions that kept them from seriously dating or finding a partner and that if we removed those inhibitions completely there would be very few actual truecels.

Women also suffer from those same inhibitions about having sex and if we are to deem an average man with mental health issues as an incel because of inhibitions holding him back then femcels also must exist because women too suffer from those same illments

Again I don't blame you for not reading all my text blobs in this thread and to be honest if I seem a bit hostile it's because I just ran in a circle from that tangent back to my original point. And I honestly knew it would happen which is why I wrote "are you just talking to talk or do you want to actually participate in the discussion"

My point has been that saying "femcels don't exist because they can just get laid" is just as reductive as me saying "incels don't exist because they can just get laid or pay for sex lmao"

A girl with issues and no social skills could most likely go out and get sex but she does not have the skills to navigate the dating world and thus it would come to a great risk to her
Same for a guy doing the same, but my point was if we drop whatever inhibitions they had and had them dedicate themselves 100% you would find that a good chunk infact probably a vast majority could get laid. But as you said a man not having the social skills could get him robbed etc, but a woman not having the skills to see red flags could also get her hurt. I can easily see a socially isolated desperate woman get into a really bad situation if she went out looking for someone to sleep with.

But incels tend to not consider that woman an incel because "at the end of the day if she really wanted to she could get laid"

Now I am hammering home my point but I really do hope you see what I am getting at

Nordic_redhaired_Bvll said:

Again I don't blame you for not reading all my text blobs in this thread and to be honest if I seem a bit hostile it's because I just ran in a circle from that tangent back to my original point. And I honestly knew it would happen which is why I wrote "are you just talking to talk or do you want to actually participate in the discussion"

My point has been that saying "femcels don't exist because they can just get laid" is just as reductive as me saying "incels don't exist because they can just get laid or pay for sex lmao"

A girl with issues and no social skills could most likely go out and get sex but she does not have the skills to navigate the dating world and thus it would come to a great risk to her
Same for a guy doing the same, but my point was if we drop whatever inhibitions they had and had them dedicate themselves 100% you would find that a good chunk infact probably a vast majority could get laid. But as you said a man not having the social skills could get him robbed etc, but a woman not having the skills to see red flags could also get her hurt. I can easily see a socially isolated desperate woman get into a really bad situation if she went out looking for someone to sleep with.

But incels tend to not consider that woman an incel because "at the end of the day if she really wanted to she could get laid"

Now I am hammering home my point but I really do hope you see what I am getting at

Well when it comes to femcel over incel it's not a matter of "if she really wanted to." Yes, id agree femcels exist if they had to actually be capable of learning skills to get a date, but that simply isnt the case, it's the reverse. For femcels it's not "if she really wanted to she could get laid" for femcells it's "she actively has to refuse to not get laid" Every woman can have men "ASKING HER" for sex, not every woman can get sex "IF SHE WORKS FOR IT." Yes, if she doesn't have the social skills she can end up in an abusive relationships (but so do people with social skills, too) but incel isnt about if you can get a good relationship or not, incels arent complaining their GFs are all abusive, that is more what MGTOW do, complain all women are abusive/suck. So FGTOW is a real thing, women giving up on dating men because they can only get bad/abusive relationships, but not Femcel (woman cant get any BF, even bad ones). All the self identified femcels still have gotten BFs, but they just say how their BFs only were with them for sex and they sucked, which is likely true, but not femcel. Also it's just a number thing. Any femcel can get an incel for a BF, but any incel can not get a femcel for a GF. That isn't to say there arent any incels with high standards, just there are incels that dont have standards, there are no femcels with no standards.

fkiblaze said:

Well when it comes to femcel over incel it's not a matter of "if she really wanted to." Yes, id agree femcels exist if they had to actually be capable of learning skills to get a date, but that simply isnt the case, it's the reverse. For femcels it's not "if she really wanted to she could get laid" for femcells it's "she actively has to refuse to not get laid" Every woman can have men "ASKING HER" for sex, not every woman can get sex "IF SHE WORKS FOR IT." Yes, if she doesn't have the social skills she can end up in an abusive relationships (but so do people with social skills, too) but incel isnt about if you can get a good relationship or not, incels arent complaining their GFs are all abusive, that is more what MGTOW do, complain all women are abusive/suck. So FGTOW is a real thing, women giving up on dating men because they can only get bad/abusive relationships, but not Femcel (woman cant get any BF, even bad ones).

I am glad we are actually getting to what I was arguing in the first place because this is where we can actually have meaningful disagreements. I can see your point but I disagree. The definition of incel "involuntary celibate" If a man could take steps to get laid but does not then it can not be truly considered involuntary celibacy.

And I also doubt every woman has men or even can have men asking them for sex. In my experience average women tend to get looked over and ignored. And in my experience it's not men "asking for sex" as much as it's just straight up sexual harassment, or men wanting something out of her. The dating market looks different for women and it's not because they just have high standards. Every girl I know either know someone or has been subjected to harassment to the point where it would be a reasonable course of action to stay away from men who are pushy with sex.

If you drive around an area known to have hookers they would probably ask you for sex too (for a price granted) but I don't think that makes you not an incel. If the argument is that every woman can have men asking her for sex therefore she is not an incel then would this not apply too or is it different in your eyes?

Ultimately it's a difference of perspective and not understanding the issues of the opposite gender as sex carries more of a risk towards women than men. and like a whole cocktail of shit that is hard to explain in one neat orderly post. I honestly don't think you would understand because I don't think you would be open to even learn

Nordic_redhaired_Bvll said:

I am glad we are actually getting to what I was arguing in the first place because this is where we can actually have meaningful disagreements. I can see your point but I disagree. The definition of incel "involuntary celibate" If a man could take steps to get laid but does not then it can not be truly considered involuntary celibacy.

I think it's more the difference by what we mean by "the man can take steps to get laid." There exist the possibility for any man to get laid if he takes the right steps, just like there exists the possibility for any man to become a billionaire if he takes the right steps. Even an African living in the poorest country could become a billionaire based on these steps: walk across the country, go to a human trafficking group that brings you to western countries, invent a revolutionary product, profit. Or same deal with anyone becoming the ruler of the country if they follow the right steps.

The point isn't whether it's theoretically possible, the point is if that specific man could achieve the steps. It is possible for any African to do that, but most Africans THEMSELVES can not achieve that. They are practically all physically capable of doing it, but it's just not going to happen in reality because humans have limited psychologic abilities to achieve certain outcomes, it's not even a matter of that African just mustering up enough will to do it.

And I also doubt every woman has men or even can have men asking them for sex. In my experience average women tend to get looked over and ignored. And in my experience it's not men "asking for sex" as much as it's just straight up sexual harassment, or men wanting something out of her. The dating market looks different for women and it's not because they just have high standards. Every girl I know either know someone or has been subjected to harassment to the point where it would be a reasonable course of action to stay away from men who are pushy with sex.

If you drive around an area known to have hookers they would probably ask you for sex too (for a price granted) but I don't think that makes you not an incel. If the argument is that every woman can have men asking her for sex therefore she is not an incel then would this not apply too or is it different in your eyes?

Ultimately it's a difference of perspective and not understanding the issues of the opposite gender as sex carries more of a risk towards women than men. and like a whole cocktail of shit that is hard to explain in one neat orderly post. I honestly don't think you would understand because I don't think you would be open to even learn

Oh no, i understand most women experience sexual harassments, but that is part of my point, most men do not experience it. Im not saying sexual harrassment is good, I'm just saying all of them can have men asking (or harrasing) for sex.

All this discussion just because someone asked if we liked a specific type of girl

latina_dumb said:

All this discussion just because someone asked if we liked a specific type of girl

Yep. People start unnecessary arguments what can I say.

I don't know that I'd acknowledge fki as a person.

blame ivoryfuta, they derailed it into a discussion about the intricacies of dorky girls. I love dorks

latina_dumb said:

All this discussion just because someone asked if we liked a specific type of girl

Happens on nearly every thread that is even slightly controversial. Some professional yappers in our midst.

But why does everyone think they need to argue about every detail? Can't we just appreciate nerds and dorks because we are dorks and nerds.

I apologize for sullying this holy thread dedicated to dorky girls with my autistic arguing. I am also tired of almost every thread on the forums devolving into ramblings about minute details even if I sometimes participate in it myself.

latina_dumb said:

All this discussion just because someone asked if we liked a specific type of girl

The issue with wallflowers is whether or not they exist. I hear they blend in with the wallpaper (hence the name), bjt now it seems they have taken to hiding in the vents.

Im alright with that, but Id rather know where the flowery vibes are coming from, and be assured that whatever is in the walls is not one of those things from the Mandela Catalogue.

Nordic_redhaired_Bvll said:

I apologize for sullying this holy thread dedicated to dorky girls with my autistic arguing. I am also tired of almost every thread on the forums devolving into ramblings about minute details even if I sometimes participate in it myself.

You are forgiven my brother.

Nordic_redhaired_Bvll said:

I apologize for sullying this holy thread dedicated to dorky girls with my autistic arguing. I am also tired of almost every thread on the forums devolving into ramblings about minute details even if I sometimes participate in it myself.

Same here, I kinda contributed to the "femcel discussion" by bringing my own experiences into it, something I probably shouldn't have done.. my bad.. I love arguing and debating but sometimes it just shouldn't happen.

LatinaOfHearts said:

Same here, I kinda contributed to the "femcel discussion" by bringing my own experiences into it, something I probably shouldn't have done.. my bad.. I love arguing and debating but sometimes it just shouldn't happen.

Well yeah. Id say that your perspective is actually really valuable to the conversation because it comes from a different viewpoint. But yeah I also love arguing and I can be argumentative at times to my own detriment.

Flamberge said:

To the men and women of this booru what's your stance on dorks? Do you love them, hate them, or not really know how to place it?

I personally think dorks are cute especially black or black white mixed dorks are cute.

They made all the dork/nerd culture which I'm into and they're unfathomably based... unfortunately the people who always made fun of them for it, are now the one's in control of it.