Why no NTR?

fkiblaze said:

One again that is common and a fair thing to say, but the thing is though, practicaly everyone has issues. Almost no relationship is perfect, so that isn't really an excuse. there are litteraly murders, people who beat women every time they get mad at their gf, rapists, and so on that all manage to get relationships, marriages and kids and do fine. "Issues" arent actually a problem in normie life to be successful. Pretty much every succesful person in modern society anyway is a psychopathic machevelian.

Yes getting a gf doesnt always help, but only because they will still have the issues that caused them not to have a gf, and the girl will get fed up with him and leave or no longer love him.

This mentality may have been true in the past, but the reality of modern society isnt some lighthearted fantasy. You can litteraly do everything morally wrong and still fall upwards. Look at any shitty corrupt politician. The most effective way to be successful is to be a ruthless ambitious psychopath, baring that the best you can be is just an unthinking normie. That is, if you care more about worldly success than your soul, but i wouldnt recommend that to anyone because as the bible says, "what does it profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul?"

Honestly I am just going to tap out of this conversation. Because I am not sure if am making myself understood or if I am truly understanding your central argument. Either way it seems we are not going to get much out of this. I also disagree with most of what you said in your previous reply to the point where I would not know where to begin and it is getting quite late.

I do think we have different views on what success is and what constitutes a "successful" relationship and what constitutes success in general and with such different values I think that this conversation with you is ultimately pointless.

Egors said:

We kind of were doing that slowly improving, but since last year December our government changed. Now everything started to be fucked up. Our economy is going to be fucked up so Germany will have no rivalry with us. Current government is accepting everything EU wants to do and pretty much they want us to become Germany colony where they will send lots of illegal migrants. So even if we got lots of people coming from Ukraine we will get fair share of EU problems. Everything depends how much this government can ruin this country in like next around 3 years and if people will change them. I mean we were like couple decades behind west and we will catch up to them very quickly lots of young people are liberal and they don't understand what comes with this. Most of Western Europe slowly wakes up and try to change their governments to something more right wing. While we're catching up and people choose lefties. I should not dive deep into talking about this, but trust me as someone who live here it's awful and will be even worse. Those who will be able to will try to escape from country asap. Also it's possible our wise government will try to make us join current war on Ukraine side which would be insanely stupid, but who knows with them everything is possible. So I'd like to finish my studies and hopefully escape from country in time. Sorry to bring politics here, but yeah without this I could not explain my country situation how bad it is.

Yea i heard the current guy is terrible, but it's only 3 years, i doubt it's enough to cause that much of a change if you vote a right wing guy after him. And essentially you run into the problem all of us do. Where is there to go where thete is a more right wing society. Pretty much just hungary, japan, and maybe switzerland are left. All 3 arent valid options. Japan is like impossible to move to permanently, part of the reason it's still good after all, switzerland is super expensive, and hungary is a do different culture, you kinda need to know the community, but i suppose it's probably the best long term option if you are white and dont want your bloodline to die out. That all assumes they dont just elect a crazy lefty after Orban has to leave.

fkiblaze said:

Ive had my opinions change on a lot of things, in fact the opposite of stubborn, and i never said it cant help anyone ever. PTSD and stuff is one example ill agree it can help, but depression caused by actually facts of reality that need to change, vs just wierd psychological quirks is a different thing. You arent going to talk your way out of reality. The best example i can give is if you put ur hand on a stove it doesnt matter how much youve been to a therapist, the pain neurons will still fire and make your hand feel hot. The only way to help that is burn your hand enough times it no longer feels the pain much.

That's not a relevant source. No one was talking about what percent of never married people have been single. We were talking about what percent of all men vs women were. Of course people who cant find partners are more likely to not have had them.

It's 90% biology/genetics. Of that 90%, 75% is probably pure biology, and 25% is the societal effects that biology creates, because society is litteraly just a collection of humans so their biology creates society.

That's my point. Lonelyness effects male happiness way more than women. And no, you got that part backwards. Women can be productive members of society just by having male bossess cause their biology makes them more fine with just taking orders. Men that are not castrated and feel like they are forced into a thing that will keep them single will rebel against that society.

Once again, you got my statement wrong. I never said nothing will be resolved through christ. I merely said not everything in the physical world will be resolved through christ because humans exist in a fallen state and the world is the domain of the devil. It says in the bible itself these things. If you think being a christian is goimg to make you always successful in earthly things, you are missing the point of the religion. The religion is that the earthly realm is fleeting, only 100 years or so, the soul and heaven is eternal though.

Also i just noticed this now, but the study you cited for therapy was litteraly just a study trying to debunk the previous claims of guys who made studies showing it wasnt effective. To do that they said they threw out certain papers. Yea if you throw out the papers that disagree with you you can get anything to agree. Now they claim those papers have bias and so on, but im not going to spend the time to read every single one to see if they truly do have bias, so who knows. It's very likely they just kept the papers where therapy can help, like PTSD, and got rid of the other ones. I dont have the time to get into each and every paper in the metastudy though.

LatinaOfHearts said:

I wonder why there isn't more cuckquean art tho.. I'm assuming that'd be a good premise and it'd fit well with bleached themes? Both for ethnic and white women..

Cuckqueaning ( especially between a straight couple ) is incredibly difficult to depict without it easily getting mistaken as regular cucking , especially when it's a hetero woman getting with another guy - even when you describe it out loud it just sounds like normal cuck porn - the only time i really like it is when the girl leaves for a Futa or another girl , the fact the guy in question is being left for a woman just adds another level of humilation onto it that makes it hot for me.

IvoryFuta-II said:

Cuckqueaning ( especially between a straight couple ) is incredibly difficult to depict without it easily getting mistaken as regular cucking , especially when it's a hetero woman getting with another guy - even when you describe it out loud it just sounds like normal cuck porn - the only time i really like it is when the girl leaves for a Futa or another girl , the fact the guy in question is being left for a woman just adds another level of humilation onto it that makes it hot for me.

I think you might be confusing cuckqueaning with something else. It's where a man gets with another woman.

In anycase to get back on track with the forum topic thus far all I've read is the same two points that aren't just " I personally don't like the fetish. "

Point A - " NTR has been completely ruined for me because of how common blacked *edits* are / how commonly it's associated with blacked "

It's something I don't like either and something that originally turned me off to it especially given the fact a lot of these manga, comics, etc are always from the cuck's point of view, which doesn't appeal to most men who don't exactly desire to be cucked, though something I feel like I have to point out here is how manufactured the blacked connection is. Many of these NTR Mangas with " black " men you'll see are " fan " colours of black/white manga where they've tried to race-swap the cucker by colouring them brown or edits of pre-existing coloured manga both of which tend to look super obvious because the shading on the" black " guy will always give away that it was a fan colour or skin edit.
The Knowledge of this combined with dipping my toes into " cucked by futa " & Reading a few manga that are told from the perspective of the cucker allowed me to retake the fetish/kink , in addition to a few bleached re-edits that recolour the " bull " back to being default white like how they originally were.
Don't give up on the kink, retake it.

Point B - " Bleached isn't a Sadism/Humilation kink like blacked, NTR has no place!! "
Ignoring the fact I don't believe bleached isn't tied to sado-masochism the same way blacked is I don't think NTR is 100% masochism/degregation of/from the female side or just wanting to get dominated by a better man that's certaintly apart of their fantasy/enjoyment out of the kink sure - I think part of it is female enpowerment they're not just getting off on chad thundercock drilling them, they're getting off on humilating their partner by making them watch them fuck someone who's " better " and I don't think it's a concidence half of these types of manga end up putting the female in a switch role where they femdom the cuck but submit to the " bull " I think at least half of NTR's enjoyment from the female side comes from a revenge fantasy especially if they've ever had a partner they felt didn't meet their needs emotionally, mentally or even yes, physically.

Point C - " Bleached is above such primitive savagery! "
No, No it is not.
From the shit i've seen on the forums and the average image post on this site i can tell you that bleached is exactly as into domination and humilation of non-whites as blacked is with the oppisite while it's certaintly idealised that the differentator beteween the two is that bleached respects women more I find that to be far from the case.

IvoryFuta-II said:

In anycase to get back on track with the forum topic thus far all I've read is the same two points that aren't just " I personally don't like the fetish. "

Point A - " NTR has been completely ruined for me because of how common blacked *edits* are / how commonly it's associated with blacked "

It's something I don't like either and something that originally turned me off to it especially given the fact a lot of these manga, comics, etc are always from the cuck's point of view, which doesn't appeal to most men who don't exactly desire to be cucked, though something I feel like I have to point out here is how manufactured the blacked connection is. Many of these NTR Mangas with " black " men you'll see are " fan " colours of black/white manga where they've tried to race-swap the cucker by colouring them brown or edits of pre-existing coloured manga both of which tend to look super obvious because the shading on the" black " guy will always give away that it was a fan colour or skin edit.
The Knowledge of this combined with dipping my toes into " cucked by futa " & Reading a few manga that are told from the perspective of the cucker allowed me to retake the fetish/kink , in addition to a few bleached re-edits that recolour the " bull " back to being default white like how they originally were.
Don't give up on the kink, retake it.

Point B - " Bleached isn't a Sadism/Humilation kink like blacked, NTR has no place!! "
Ignoring the fact I don't believe bleached isn't tied to sado-masochism the same way blacked is I don't think NTR is 100% masochism/degregation of/from the female side or just wanting to get dominated by a better man that's certaintly apart of their fantasy/enjoyment out of the kink sure - I think part of it is female enpowerment they're not just getting off on chad thundercock drilling them, they're getting off on humilating their partner by making them watch them fuck someone who's " better " and I don't think it's a concidence half of these types of manga end up putting the female in a switch role where they femdom the cuck but submit to the " bull " I think at least half of NTR's enjoyment from the female side comes from a revenge fantasy especially if they've ever had a partner they felt didn't meet their needs emotionally, mentally or even yes, physically.

Point C - " Bleached is above such primitive savagery! "
No, No it is not.
From the shit i've seen on the forums and the average image post on this site i can tell you that bleached is exactly as into domination and humilation of non-whites as blacked is with the oppisite while it's certaintly idealised that the differentator beteween the two is that bleached respects women more I find that to be far from the case.

I believe ntr and cuck as a kink in a hentai or whatever can work only insofar that the girl in the relationship is actively being abused by the person she is going to end up cucking. It’s kind of like karmic retribution or wholesome rescue. So 2 or so scenarios;
1. White ‘bull’ (could be futa, but most likely guy) comes into woman’s life, notices she’s being mistreated and abused and decides to do something about it. Either beats out the shitty guy or ends up taking the girl away literally and making a happy ending.
2. White ‘bull’ simply is used as a stress release for the woman who is being mistreated or abused in her current relationship and still ends up getting pregnant or something from the white bull, but generally the guy is not too fussed about the situation, other than the fact that he is fucking a married/taken woman.
3. Something else entirely.

AryanSuperSoldier said:

I believe ntr and cuck as a kink in a hentai or whatever can work only insofar that the girl in the relationship is actively being abused by the person she is going to end up cucking. It’s kind of like karmic retribution or wholesome rescue. So 2 or so scenarios;
1. White ‘bull’ (could be futa, but most likely guy) comes into woman’s life, notices she’s being mistreated and abused and decides to do something about it. Either beats out the shitty guy or ends up taking the girl away literally and making a happy ending.
2. White ‘bull’ simply is used as a stress release for the woman who is being mistreated or abused in her current relationship and still ends up getting pregnant or something from the white bull, but generally the guy is not too fussed about the situation, other than the fact that he is fucking a married/taken woman.
3. Something else entirely.

Im not really sure #1 is even cucking. It's just the girl leaves the man and gets a new bf. The other ones dont realy seem that apealing personaly. I suppose for me the cucking theme in general is unapealing in most any context the futa/lesbian stuff the other guy mentioned is a bit better, but in the end, i suppose that's just cause it's closer to cuckqueaning (as it's multiple women), which i do find attractive.

fkiblaze said:

Im not really sure #1 is even cucking. It's just the girl leaves the man and gets a new bf. The other ones dont realy seem that apealing personaly. I suppose for me the cucking theme in general is unapealing in most any context the futa/lesbian stuff the other guy mentioned is a bit better, but in the end, i suppose that's just cause it's closer to cuckqueaning (as it's multiple women), which i do find attractive.

I should've specified, it only works for me. because I don't like the conventional plots of ntr or cuckoldry. It's like built on the premise of destroying innocence and a just moral framework.

When im sporking my smeat and its a white girl cucking a non white why would she date a nonwhite in the first place if its a nonwhite woman cucking a nonwhite man why would she date a nonwhite in the first place i personally dont like NTR because i like purity virginity the Nazis also liked that and there is alot of nazi content here any cuck stuff i see i think why would she talk with the nonwhite guy anyway