What is the left's obession with Trump?

TallWhiteAndHung said:

1) Leticia James ran her NYAG campaign with the sole objective to presecute Trump (there's a viral video of her saying as much). How she accomplished this is she accused Trump of overvaluing his properties to get a bank loan, despite the fact that the bank said they were happy with how Trump conducted himself and Trump repaid the loan promptly, no wrongdoing. After this, businesses became alarmed by the government overreach, so Leticia James had to reassure them that she was only prosecuting Trump for this. So you couldn't be more wrong. He didn't get away with it because he's famous, in fact, the sole reason he got prosecuted is because he is Trump and they needed something to convict him on. Trump didn't pay Stormy Daniels anything, Michael Cohen his lawyer admitted as much, Cohen paid her against Trump's wishes, I assume because he believed it would tarnish his image, and already went to prison for it (as well as tax evasion and lying to congress), which is a wild thing to prosecute someone for. Bohoo he paid a whore to stay quiet. Do you know how many famous people do the same thing because of opportunistic losers? If anything Daniels is the one who should get in trouble with the law since she signed a legal binding contract to stay quiet but kept talking.

2) He's always said he has no issue with legal immigrants, people that integrate, learn the language, find a job and come through legal means. Voters have had an issue with illegal immigration for ages and is one of the most pressing issues, so if you disagree, you are alone on that one. Why ilegal immigration is a bad thing is a no brainer, take a look at the state of Europe, it should be a cautionary tale of what the US can become.

3) European countries weren't paying 2% of their GDP in defense spending towards NATO which is one of their obligations. If they don't comply, it defeats the purpose of the military alliance. Trump was being too straightforward with his wording as he always does. Do you realise if France or any country were to use nuclear bombs it would be armaggedon? Nuclear bombs aren't used in warfare, they are used as a deterrant, if not Russia would have already used it's nukes in Ukraine. As a matter of fact, Trump did such a good job with NATO that Biden took all the credit for the job Trump did for strenghtening NATO once he became president.

4) Gay marriage? Why should people that reject the religion reap the benefits of it? Civil unions exist for a reason (although he hasn't commented on this, the same with birth control). Abortion is back to the states and back to the voters to decide which is how it should be. Also, abortion is human sacrifice. If we got back to the safe, legal and rare mantra and we set abortion to a 1-2 month limit, the great majority of people would be happy.

Critizise him for the BLM riots, how he handled COVID, his ties to Israel, how he's incapable of extrapolating on more complex topics, how he surrounded himself with terrible people on his first term, how he didn't declasify things like JFK assasination and 9/11. But yeah, what you said is just the typical left-wing dribble.

I agree with most of what you said except point 4, let me give my reasons
1)Gay marriage: Marriage is most of a tradition than a religious ritual, as anybody can get married, and it also has some benefits, like sharing a bank account (most of the times), giving your things to the other and theother giving you their things when you get divorced, but i think it's mostly the feeling of marrying OFFICIALLY what gay people want
2)Abortion: I personally think abortion should be legal only 4 months in max, because there, it's safe for the woman, and the fetus doesnt feel anything because its a fucking fetus, also, abortion prevents many tragedies like teen childbirth (the mother is in risk) and having a child from being raped. Most of the times you don't realize you're pregnant, you may be like 15 years old having sex with your boyfriend wearing a condom but the condom can break without you realizing, would you rather have a fetus die or a scared teenager that made a mistake possibly die?
Besides those points, i agree with most of what you said

5potato said:

I agree with most of what you said except point 4, let me give my reasons
1)Gay marriage: Marriage is most of a tradition than a religious ritual, as anybody can get married, and it also has some benefits, like sharing a bank account (most of the times), giving your things to the other and theother giving you their things when you get divorced, but i think it's mostly the feeling of marrying OFFICIALLY what gay people want
2)Abortion: I personally think abortion should be legal only 4 months in max, because there, it's safe for the woman, and the fetus doesnt feel anything because its a fucking fetus, also, abortion prevents many tragedies like teen childbirth (the mother is in risk) and having a child from being raped. Most of the times you don't realize you're pregnant, you may be like 15 years old having sex with your boyfriend wearing a condom but the condom can break without you realizing, would you rather have a fetus die or a scared teenager that made a mistake possibly die?
Besides those points, i agree with most of what you said

One of the arguments against Gay marriage I think often gets overlooked comes from demographics. Straight marriages are the best (and really the only) way to produce healthy happy children and sustainably turn them in to functional adults. It is in the governments long-term best interest to incentivize this sort of family creation. For this reason, I think a more elegant solution is to take all of the tax incentives that one has gotten in marriage, and only afford them to married families with their own biological children. DINKs shouldn't be rewarded for refusing to contribute to the next generation. For similar reasons, Gay couples with adopted kids should be considered exempt from the tax incentives, as would mixed families, (step-parents, not interracial) as in both cases the prevalence of abuse and mental issues is greatly heightened.

What was the right's obsession with Biden?

I mean who can forget the "let's go Brandon" shirts, "sleepy Joe", kid hair sniffer and what have yous.

Trump, like Biden, was/is in the greatest position of power in the United States. Trump and Biden both are on opposing sides in a very partisan environment. It is simply natural that both sides would target their animosity towards the figurative "heads" of each side of the partisan divide, thus leading to an obsession. Simple as.

HungWytKnight said:

One of the arguments against Gay marriage I think often gets overlooked comes from demographics. Straight marriages are the best (and really the only) way to produce healthy happy children and sustainably turn them in to functional adults. It is in the governments long-term best interest to incentivize this sort of family creation. For this reason, I think a more elegant solution is to take all of the tax incentives that one has gotten in marriage, and only afford them to married families with their own biological children. DINKs shouldn't be rewarded for refusing to contribute to the next generation. For similar reasons, Gay couples with adopted kids should be considered exempt from the tax incentives, as would mixed families, (step-parents, not interracial) as in both cases the prevalence of abuse and mental issues is greatly heightened.

Yeah but not all married gay or straight people want to have children, they just wanna marry, and as for straight marriages, there is WAY MORE straight domestic abuse than gay domestic abuse, and the children of abusive couples are gonna grow up with trauma and violence on their heads, im not saying every gay person is a saint, what im saying is that if there wasnt that much hatred towards gay people, gay marriage would be the same as straight marriage, having 1 dad and 1 mom would be the same as having 2 dads or 2 moms because theres no shame on you for it, the problem is not gay marriage, the problem is looking bad at gay marriage

Lord_Vahlis said:

What was the right's obsession with Biden?

I mean who can forget the "let's go Brandon" shirts, "sleepy Joe", kid hair sniffer and what have yous.

Trump, like Biden, was/is in the greatest position of power in the United States. Trump and Biden both are on opposing sides in a very partisan environment. It is simply natural that both sides would target their animosity towards the figurative "heads" of each side of the partisan divide, thus leading to an obsession. Simple as.

You actually have a point

Lord_Vahlis said:

What was the right's obsession with Biden?

I mean who can forget the "let's go Brandon" shirts, "sleepy Joe", kid hair sniffer and what have yous.

Trump, like Biden, was/is in the greatest position of power in the United States. Trump and Biden both are on opposing sides in a very partisan environment. It is simply natural that both sides would target their animosity towards the figurative "heads" of each side of the partisan divide, thus leading to an obsession. Simple as.

yeah as much as i love republicans, and am one myself, the lets go bradon thing was too much even for us. i mean, it means fuck joe biden and they were hanging flags up of it, thats not appropriate for kids to see.
tho the story of the little atistic boy named brandon was so cute, google it if you dont know what im talking about and want to smile ^^

5potato said:

Biden didnt start Israel-Palestine conflict tho, it's been going on for like 70 years and it' still happening

He did start the Ukraine conflict though, and if trump was in office the hamas attack on israel likely wouldnt have happened hence no war.

5potato said:

I mean, i'm not from the USA so i dont know a lot about the topic, but i think youre actually right, kamala did absolutely nothing because she was a vice president (a vice president that did nothing) but trump is worse with his project 2025, imo 0>-1

what is wrong with project 2025?

5potato said:

Yeah but not all married gay or straight people want to have children, they just wanna marry, and as for straight marriages, there is WAY MORE straight domestic abuse than gay domestic abuse, and the children of abusive couples are gonna grow up with trauma and violence on their heads, im not saying every gay person is a saint, what im saying is that if there wasnt that much hatred towards gay people, gay marriage would be the same as straight marriage, having 1 dad and 1 mom would be the same as having 2 dads or 2 moms because theres no shame on you for it, the problem is not gay marriage, the problem is looking bad at gay marriage

there's more straight domestic abuse but not per capita. Queer people make up such a small portion of any given population, so of course compared to the avg straight couple they are essentially insignificant statistically until you measure them in terms of per capita. iirc there is a very odd and significant tendency for lesbian couples to be more abusive (to each other).

None of this really matters though because gay marriage is simply whatever to me. Like marriage is already a broken institution that has lost all meaning.

5potato said:

He went to the fucking epstein's island

Think about that for more than 5 seconds. If that was true, than, why didn't the media corporations (which are basically the democratic partys platform) talk about it constantly for 24/7 for 8 years straight. Why do you think they didn't? When the news reporter lady for ABC was going to break the story years before, shy did the ABC(DISNEY) Exec's/producers cover it up, squash it, and fired her? Why did Weinstein get away with it for so long, why did everyone on the diddy tapes come out to support kamala? Why did they hate on Mel Gibson's Sound of Freedom movie so much... and now we know why, because Mel Gibson was right.

5potato said:

I agree with most of what you said except point 4, let me give my reasons
1)Gay marriage: Marriage is most of a tradition than a religious ritual, as anybody can get married, and it also has some benefits, like sharing a bank account (most of the times), giving your things to the other and theother giving you their things when you get divorced, but i think it's mostly the feeling of marrying OFFICIALLY what gay people want
2)Abortion: I personally think abortion should be legal only 4 months in max, because there, it's safe for the woman, and the fetus doesnt feel anything because its a fucking fetus, also, abortion prevents many tragedies like teen childbirth (the mother is in risk) and having a child from being raped. Most of the times you don't realize you're pregnant, you may be like 15 years old having sex with your boyfriend wearing a condom but the condom can break without you realizing, would you rather have a fetus die or a scared teenager that made a mistake possibly die?
Besides those points, i agree with most of what you said

1) first of all, like i said trump is the most liberal republican so he isnt even against gay marriage, but secondly, i am however because it makes no sense. Like you said, marriage is a tradition, and there is no tradition allowing gays to get married in western civilization. As for sharing bank accounts, you can do that without being married or even having a civil union. i share one bank account with my father. As for feeling of something being official, why does that matter? who has a right to feeling like somethign is official? I dont have a right to feel like im married to the pope, who cares? The purpose of marriage is to create a family, and gays cant do that. even if you allow adoption, they arent creating a new child, they all ready are getting the tax benefits and stuff from adoption, since that has it's own system.

2)one again ur stance is more conservative than trump since trump probably doesnt even care about stopping it after 4 months. Regardless, while rape is a tragedy, i wouldnt say nomral teen pregnanacy even is. Statistically a 15-19 year old has a way better chance of having a healthy baby than a 35+ year old. That said i dont care enough about abortion regardless, it's just not a worthwhile point.

5potato said:

Yeah but not all married gay or straight people want to have children, they just wanna marry, and as for straight marriages, there is WAY MORE straight domestic abuse than gay domestic abuse, and the children of abusive couples are gonna grow up with trauma and violence on their heads, im not saying every gay person is a saint, what im saying is that if there wasnt that much hatred towards gay people, gay marriage would be the same as straight marriage, having 1 dad and 1 mom would be the same as having 2 dads or 2 moms because theres no shame on you for it, the problem is not gay marriage, the problem is looking bad at gay marriage

Gay people per capita have way worse outcomes for children. It's something like 50% of them being messed up. Regardless this isnt related since it has nothing to do with trump.

all in all trump is just a 1990s buisness democrat. The only thing he is conservative about is pretty much just business and even then he isnt like a free marketeer, he is a protectionist.

fkiblaze said:

He did start the Ukraine conflict though, and if trump was in office the hamas attack on israel likely wouldnt have happened hence no war.

what is wrong with project 2025?

The only time I ever heard about project 2025, is on mainstream propaganda media talking about it like it's the boogeyman and I immediately discount it, because they have ZERO credibility.

Colonizer_God said:

You can gesture to his authoritarian tendencies, his complete lack of any visible morality, his campaigning on things that make it easy to vilify him, but it really all just boils down to one simple thing.

Donald Trump is disgusting. He's a loathsome parasite with no redeeming qualities in appearance, ability, personality, or philosophy.

Also some people don't have the memories of goldfish and recall him absolutely fucking up everything COVID-related.

Cry more bitch.

They hate him because he was once one of them, and he broke free of the reservation, the DEMRATSS hive mind. Just like many Hispanics and Blacks did.

Lord_Vahlis said:

What was the right's obsession with Biden?

I mean who can forget the "let's go Brandon" shirts, "sleepy Joe", kid hair sniffer and what have yous.

Trump, like Biden, was/is in the greatest position of power in the United States. Trump and Biden both are on opposing sides in a very partisan environment. It is simply natural that both sides would target their animosity towards the figurative "heads" of each side of the partisan divide, thus leading to an obsession. Simple as.

There isn't really an obession as much as right wingers are just pissed off at the double standards. Trump had a 5 year smear campaign painting him out to be orange hitler with every single breath he took to be an assault on the honour of their forefathers - then when he loses the election to Biden here comes a senile old man who can't even string a sentence together and the general public & media have a great perception of him.
Rules for me & not for thee.

this is also ignoring the fact this is JUST the right winger's being upset, the general public were fine with him for the most part and didn't care he was president even those who did would just point to his dimentia where as trump is universally hated by the majority of the general public for superficial things - " trump is a racist, sexist misognist!! " IS ALL I EVER HEAR AGAINST THIS MAN when that's LITERALLY 99% OF CANDIDATES - biden literally said " if you don't vote for biden you ain't black! " and called a black voter " boyh " because he was a maga supporter yet this is NEVER brought up and the general public seems to have forgotten about it.

Biden doesn't have the same SEETHING, VITROLIC , HATRED that trump has had to endure ever since he ran for president in 2016

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IvoryFuta-II said:

Trump has stated on podcasts and many interviews that he intimidates world leaders and uses the U.S' image as a global superpower to prevent wars before they even start by threatening direct U.S intervention.

Biden's diplomatic solutions are a lot softer and it's allowed for the war on ukraine and ( maybe ) the israel , Palestine conflict not only to start but to go on for as long as they have.

Now you can tell me he's talking out of his ass , it's not like UK politicans aren't absolute rats ( looking at you 2 tier kier ) but there weren't any large scale wars like we're seeing now when he was running.

While I do agree Trump's term as president didn't see many wars. Let's not act like it's because of his policy making. Russia was already in the throes of invading Ukraine since 2014, Putin just expanded the operation in 2022. Same for Israel-Palestine, they both had been at war with each other in an off/on state for years before Biden or Trump took office. It was only in 2023 that they conducted their largest attack ever and it was because of Iran's funding. Speaking of Iran, we nearly entered a war with them back in 2020 when Trump had General Soleimani assassinated. Biden could have done a lot more to mitigate the global reaction to these events and he didn't, but that doesn't mean it was because of him that we saw an increase in global warmongering.

fkiblaze said:

Republican brainrot bullshit

1)Gay marriage: Trump said multiple times that he's against gay marriage, maybe sometimes he said that he's not against gay marriage but what he says depends on the situation because he's a liar and a manipulator, and you're right, marriage is a tradition but that doesn't mean traditions can't change, racial segregation was a tradition but that doesn't mean it didn't or shouldn't have changed, prohibition of gay marriage is a different kind of segregation, like for example, i don't think as many republicans that are against gay marriage are against interracial marriage; interracial marriage was not a part of the tradition, yet it's legal because it is not inherently bad, so your argument is not that good
2)Abortion: you're totally right, rape is a tragedy and shouldn't happen, and i'm against abortion after 4 months because when more time passes, the more dangerous it is for the mother to kill the baby, if you have an abortion late into your pregnancy you might die, the bad part of this is that you normally don't notice until it's too late, and yeah, and about teen pregnancy in america, i don't really know because i've never put a single foot in there
I got bored of arguing, this is gonna go nowhere, i'm still going to hate trump and you're still going to like trump, i respect your opinion even though i disagree, goodbye and i hope you have a good day

lovecrown21 said:

While I do agree Trump's term as president didn't see many wars. Let's not act like it's because of his policy making. Russia was already in the throes of invading Ukraine since 2014, Putin just expanded the operation in 2022. Same for Israel-Palestine, they both had been at war with each other in an off/on state for years before Biden or Trump took office. It was only in 2023 that they conducted their largest attack ever and it was because of Iran's funding. Speaking of Iran, we nearly entered a war with them back in 2020 when Trump had General Soleimani assassinated. Biden could have done a lot more to mitigate the global reaction to these events and he didn't, but that doesn't mean it was because of him that we saw an increase in global warmongering.

You just admitted there were wars before Trump and after Trump's presidency but not during. Russia invaded Georgia and made sure that South Ossetia and Abkhazia seceded from Georgia as autonomous regions during Bush's presidency (they are now pushing to annex the territories). Russia invaded and annexed Crimea during Obama's presidency. Russia invaded and annexed (although they don't control them wholly) Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson during Biden's presidency. Trump inhereted the war but the front lines were untouched during his presidency and they only engaged in some trench warfare. If we are to believe Trump's statements, he threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin advanced unto Ukraine. It's this kind of volatile unpredictable rethoric that kept them second guessing and hesitant to make a move. Now he is put in a very difficult position because he has commited to end the war. Regardless of the outcome, leftist won't be happy and again I don't think it will be an easy thing to do considering Russia already controls like 80% of the territory war aims.

As for the middle east, one of the mistakes he made was the bombing of Syria, but I would guess he was deceived by the warhawks, I mean, Obama was pushing for war and the "use of chemical weapons against civilians" lie is the same trick as what they did with "Iraq has WMD". Trump is the only president other than Gerald Ford that didn't see a war involving Israel (even though of course, there are constant clashes and mistreatment of the Palestinian people). So you can blame him for not ending wars perhaps, but you can't blame him for starting wars. Soleimani was assassinated and what was the response? They launched missles AROUND a US military base to save face which caused some concussions, I don't think there was ever a threat of war.

5potato said:

1)Gay marriage: Trump said multiple times that he's against gay marriage, maybe sometimes he said that he's not against gay marriage but what he says depends on the situation because he's a liar and a manipulator, and you're right, marriage is a tradition but that doesn't mean traditions can't change, racial segregation was a tradition but that doesn't mean it didn't or shouldn't have changed, prohibition of gay marriage is a different kind of segregation, like for example, i don't think as many republicans that are against gay marriage are against interracial marriage; interracial marriage was not a part of the tradition, yet it's legal because it is not inherently bad, so your argument is not that good
2)Abortion: you're totally right, rape is a tragedy and shouldn't happen, and i'm against abortion after 4 months because when more time passes, the more dangerous it is for the mother to kill the baby, if you have an abortion late into your pregnancy you might die, the bad part of this is that you normally don't notice until it's too late, and yeah, and about teen pregnancy in america, i don't really know because i've never put a single foot in there
I got bored of arguing, this is gonna go nowhere, i'm still going to hate trump and you're still going to like trump, i respect your opinion even though i disagree, goodbye and i hope you have a good day

Both Obama and Hillary clinton have opposed gay marriage far more than trump ever did. Trump is objectively the president who cared the least about it through his history. As for tradition, you need a good reason to change it and i dont see how appealing to 1% of the population justifies changing a tradition that is the bedrock of our society. They are such a small minority they are irrelevant to pander to. Also interracial marriage being illegal wasnt a tradition, it didnt become a thing untill america. Medieval europe and stuff never banned it, so idk why u think it was part of tradition. Secondly, interracial marriage is still between a man and a woman, hence a normal marriage.

fkiblaze said:

Both Obama and Hillary clinton have opposed gay marriage far more than trump ever did. Trump is objectively the president who cared the least about it through his history. As for tradition, you need a good reason to change it and i dont see how appealing to 1% of the population justifies changing a tradition that is the bedrock of our society. They are such a small minority they are irrelevant to pander to. Also interracial marriage being illegal wasnt a tradition, it didnt become a thing untill america. Medieval europe and stuff never banned it, so idk why u think it was part of tradition. Secondly, interracial marriage is still between a man and a woman, hence a normal marriage.

Why is exactly gay "not normal", also i don't understand why "not normal" is bad, also, not exactly a 1% of people are gay, most are afraid to come out because in their country is forbidden/has the death penalty