A serious vent out of character

I've had a kind of "awakening", that's the best way I think to put it. I realized I'm actually somewhat racist, IRL specifically against Hispanics.

I had a small encounter with one when I went to the store, in the parking lot leaving it. They were just talking on the phone (on speaker of course) and they and the person they were speaking to were talking in Spanish. I don't know why it bothered me so much, probably just built up hatred.

I think this kink has made me extra aware of my racial bias and helped me feel a little more comfortable feeling the way I do.

I'm somewhat mixed on this realization:
On one hand, it goes against what I typically stand for IRL.
On the other, I'm somewhat comfortable and even accept my racism.

I kinda felt a need to vent about this to people who would understand.

The best way I can put this is that it's understandable to have biases, but that you should still give people the chance to prove them wrong.

I work retail, and when I see an Islamic family come in there's a good chance it'll be a shitty conversation, communication barriers, lack of understanding, rude, etc. This is a mental preparation I've done after many families like that conditioned me to.

That being said, I've had plenty of great customers that fit the same physical narrative, too. Some Poles are entitled cunts, others are hard-working family men that are all smiles and handshakes.

Every human being has biases, and some of them are perfectly understandable. It's a survival instinct to be xenophobic, and god knows some demographics make it very hard not to be (Indians when it comes to my job), but it's only your responsibility to swallow that initial bias and give everyone a fair chance to show their character.

Alluring_Eagle_1488 said:

I've had a kind of "awakening", that's the best way I think to put it. I realized I'm actually somewhat racist, IRL specifically against Hispanics.

I had a small encounter with one when I went to the store, in the parking lot leaving it. They were just talking on the phone (on speaker of course) and they and the person they were speaking to were talking in Spanish. I don't know why it bothered me so much, probably just built up hatred.

I think this kink has made me extra aware of my racial bias and helped me feel a little more comfortable feeling the way I do.

I'm somewhat mixed on this realization:
On one hand, it goes against what I typically stand for IRL.
On the other, I'm somewhat comfortable and even accept my racism.

I kinda felt a need to vent about this to people who would understand.

I'm just always racist IRL and online. Just embrace it and be a racist. It's not like the word even means anything, and CRT says you're racist because you're White anyway.

As a hispanic who's mother language is (obviously) Spanish and who has a family primarily consisting of Spanish speaking people I'll say that it's definitely not wrong to be "biased" against a race, those biases exist for a very valid reason. Xenophobia, as said above by BWE is just a result of pattern noticing and comprehension, it's something your brain does naturally to keep you safe. Being cautious around certain groups of people, finding them annoying or embarrassing, or outright hating them doesn't mean that you can't be a good person to either that same group or others in general. I will say tho that it is very sad when people look at me weird when I speak Spanish to my parents/elders.. so always try to not be the guy that shoots judging looks or silly one liners (I've had those kinds of people before too)

LatinaOfHearts said:

As a hispanic who's mother language is (obviously) Spanish and who has a family primarily consisting of Spanish speaking people I'll say that it's definitely not wrong to be "biased" against a race, those biases exist for a very valid reason. Xenophobia, as said above by BWE is just a result of pattern noticing and comprehension, it's something your brain does naturally to keep you safe. Being cautious around certain groups of people, finding them annoying or embarrassing, or outright hating them doesn't mean that you can't be a good person to either that same group or others in general. I will say tho that it is very sad when people look at me weird when I speak Spanish to my parents/elders.. so always try to not be the guy that shoots judging looks or silly one liners (I've had those kinds of people before too)

I typically try to avoid any conflict so I try to be as respectful as I can be.

AryanBreeder8 said:

I'm just always racist IRL and online. Just embrace it and be a racist. It's not like the word even means anything, and CRT says you're racist because you're White anyway.

To be honest, I'm leaning towards embracing it.

Alluring_Eagle_1488 said:

To be honest, I'm leaning towards embracing it.

Embrace it, nothing wrong with it, just don't attack people out of the blue or be a asshole about it.

LatinaOfHearts said:

Embrace it, nothing wrong with it, just don't attack people out of the blue or be a asshole about it.

I don't plan on attacking anyone, I believe in achieving goals through peaceful means.

I do support the push for mass deportations and I'll probably do my part to assist if I can.

Alluring_Eagle_1488 said:

I don't plan on attacking anyone, I believe in achieving goals through peaceful means.

I do support the push for mass deportations and I'll probably do my part to assist if I can.

I don't know how you can say those two things on the same post, mass deportations are not peaceful by any measure, and the conditions of those waiting to be deported are inhuman.

Also, if you support mass deportations, you were always racist to begin with, not sure how you could have thought otherwise. Any conversation about deportation has always been about people of color, unless you added "and canadians and europeans too" whenever you talked about it personally, if that's the case, you're not racist, but if you never even considered it, then yeah, you're a bit racist.

LatinaOfHearts said:

As a hispanic who's mother language is (obviously) Spanish and who has a family primarily consisting of Spanish speaking people I'll say that it's definitely not wrong to be "biased" against a race, those biases exist for a very valid reason. Xenophobia, as said above by BWE is just a result of pattern noticing and comprehension, it's something your brain does naturally to keep you safe. Being cautious around certain groups of people, finding them annoying or embarrassing, or outright hating them doesn't mean that you can't be a good person to either that same group or others in general. I will say tho that it is very sad when people look at me weird when I speak Spanish to my parents/elders.. so always try to not be the guy that shoots judging looks or silly one liners (I've had those kinds of people before too)

It is pattern recognition, but that pattern is severely selection biased, for obvious reasons. Just because your brain recognizes a pattern, doesn't mean it's an accurate one, nor that it should be applied in all cases.

Marcal91 said:

I don't know how you can say those two things on the same post, mass deportations are not peaceful by any measure, and the conditions of those waiting to be deported are inhuman.

Also, if you support mass deportations, you were always racist to begin with, not sure how you could have thought otherwise. Any conversation about deportation has always been about people of color, unless you added "and canadians and europeans too" whenever you talked about it personally, if that's the case, you're not racist, but if you never even considered it, then yeah, you're a bit racist.

Ok, let me be more specific: I don't want to solve my problem by attacking people or more extreme actions, I prefer to do things through the proper channels.

Also the act of deportation is usually only as violent as the ones being deported want it to be, sure there's probably some human rights abuses but that's a whole other conversation.

I don't understand how arresting people who are here illegally and sending them back is in of itself, violent.

Marcal91 said:

It is pattern recognition, but that pattern is severely selection biased, for obvious reasons. Just because your brain recognizes a pattern, doesn't mean it's an accurate one, nor that it should be applied in all cases.

Pretty much yeah. You always assume the worst and you're not surprised if they're actually barbarians. But most of the time, they're not

Marcal91 said:

I don't know how you can say those two things on the same post, mass deportations are not peaceful by any measure, and the conditions of those waiting to be deported are inhuman.

Deportations aren't violent or inhumane by default. It all depends on how you do it. It certainly is better conditions than how they got here illegally

fkiblaze said:

Deportations aren't violent or inhumane by default. It all depends on how you do it. It certainly is better conditions than how they got here illegally

You're right, deportations could be done correctly, they are not inherently violent or inhumane, in theory, but if you look at how mass deportations are actually done in reality, they are (because it would be much more costly to ensure human rights).

Alluring_Eagle_1488 said:

Ok, let me be more specific: I don't want to solve my problem by attacking people or more extreme actions, I prefer to do things through the proper channels.

Also the act of deportation is usually only as violent as the ones being deported want it to be, sure there's probably some human rights abuses but that's a whole other conversation.

I don't understand how arresting people who are here illegally and sending them back is in of itself, violent.

See above. I don't think deportations are a bad thing as a concept, in fact if you do find an illegal immigrant, you should send them back. But when you sacle up and have large scale manhunts, imprisonment and deportation, human rights end up taking a back seat, and that's not even mentioning the resources spent. If you had a genie and wanted to wish that every illegal got safely teleported to their country, I'd say go for it, I 100% approve, that's how it should be. What I object to is what commonly happens between point A and point B.

Marcal91 said:

You're right, deportations could be done correctly, they are not inherently violent or inhumane, in theory, but if you look at how mass deportations are actually done in reality, they are (because it would be much more costly to ensure human rights).

Im not sure what you mean, from what i see they are the same or even more lax than just getting arrested because someone accused you of some crime. I dont even think they handcuff all of them. And resources arent an issue since we literally just use the money we wouldve spent on them for paying for all their needs to stay here. Deporting someone is still cheaper than the amount of money we spend for just 1 year of them being here.

fkiblaze said:

Im not sure what you mean, from what i see they are the same or even more lax than just getting arrested because someone accused you of some crime. I dont even think they handcuff all of them. And resources arent an issue since we literally just use the money we wouldve spent on them for paying for all their needs to stay here. Deporting someone is still cheaper than the amount of money we spend for just 1 year of them being here.

What? They are illegals, the govenment doesn't know they're there, when they do find out, they get deported. How does the goverment spend money on people they don't know exist? Genuine question, I don't know how that kind of thing works in America, but in my country, if you want the goverment to give you anything, you gotta have the equivalent of a Social Security number, be in the system (and thus, here legally).

Marcal91 said:
It is pattern recognition, but that pattern is severely selection biased, for obvious reasons. Just because your brain recognizes a pattern, doesn't mean it's an accurate one, nor that it should be applied in all cases.

That sentiment of giving people a chance despite your instincts telling you not to for no other reason than to prove you’re not racist has lead to a lot of tragedies. If any group proved both statistically and personally to be generally bothersome at best and dangerous at worst, I’m going to be more skeptical of people belonging to that group. It’s not my fault that the people I’m weary of for valid reasons just so happen to also be a minority most of the time.
That was the motive behind the “color blind” movement. If you’re going to categorize people by race then one is GOING to be on the top and another is GOING to be on the bottom in any given field. We found that whites tend to be better off in majority white countries (shockingly) which was used as propaganda that every other race MUST be getting suppressed. So now racism and stereotypes against white people is socially acceptable while any other is not. Screw that.

Marcal91 said:

What? They are illegals, the govenment doesn't know they're there, when they do find out, they get deported. How does the goverment spend money on people they don't know exist? Genuine question, I don't know how that kind of thing works in America, but in my country, if you want the goverment to give you anything, you gotta have the equivalent of a Social Security number, be in the system (and thus, here legally).

Then you have a complete misunderstanding of what illegal immigration is in america and europe. Illegal immigrants arent like ninjas that sneak in undetected, the border security has cameras and patrols everywhere they pretty much see every immigrant that comes in, havent u seen those massive videos of thousands of illegals swarming pass the border, or those pictures of super long migrant caravans? All those people are given houses, food, supplies, etc. It's a matter of enforcement, the border security cant just shoot them it would be against the law.

fkiblaze said:

Then you have a complete misunderstanding of what illegal immigration is in america and europe. Illegal immigrants arent like ninjas that sneak in undetected, the border security has cameras and patrols everywhere they pretty much see every immigrant that comes in, havent u seen those massive videos of thousands of illegals swarming pass the border, or those pictures of super long migrant caravans? All those people are given houses, food, supplies, etc. It's a matter of enforcement, the border security cant just shoot them it would be against the law.

You have a severe misunderstanding of what I'm asking. They may know they exist, but they don't know who or where they are once they cross the border, which, for all intents and purposes, is the same thing. Nobody is "I'm an illegal, give me a house", and if my government is going to give social housing to someone, you can bet your ass they're gonna ask who that person is. My question is how are illegals given that suff by the government, are they just handing stuff without asking any questions? Because even under a Dem president, if they find out you're there illegally, you're getting deported (as it should be). This is my question, how are those resources given to illegals?