Opinion on Apartheid south africa and Rhodesia?

For those that aren't really interested in history, here a small explanaition.

Rhodesia: Today's zimbabwe. It was a british colony in south africa. When the decolonization in the 60s happend, the white minority felt it would be discriminated and bad off in a majoroty black rule state. Some of the black intellegenzia also didn't want a majority rule Rhodesia as most black people weren't educated and experience enough to rule in the goverment. Then there were those who wanted black majority rules: The communist groups of ZANU and ZAPU (Zimbabwe african national union and Zimbabwe african peoples union).
The white minority (inclouding with some blacks) decleared a UDI (Unilateral Declaration of Independence ) from britian. ZANU and ZAPU took up arms before, attacking white owned farms and killing the white owners (and black workers).
This was beginning of the Rhodesian bush war. In a nutshell, Rhodesia won the battle but not the war. Aka every battle in the war saw high ZANU/ZAPU casualties and low Rhodesian one. Rhodesia was sancrtioned by everybody (excluding south africa). It hold strong.
There were many massacres commited on both sides, but ZANU and ZAPU massacres were more senseless and brutal. BLack guerilla forces entered villages, where mostly black people lived, and massacred all of the villagers. Even tho they have the same fucking skin colour, the villagers worked for the white minority on farms and thats why they were targeted. But Rhodsia isn't really innocent either as it pursuit a chemical weapons program and was ruthless in its anti-terror operations.

The war went on from the late 60s till 1979. Ian Smith (Rhodesian President) and Robert Mugabe (ZANU Leader) made treaties. Rhodesia was named Rhodesia-Zimbabwe and then just Zimbabwe after a short civil war between the blacks. Many white farm owners left Rhodesia or were made to leave after MANY WARS in Zimbabwe and Robert Mugabe created a brutal dictatorial regime.
Whoever wants to know how badly Zimbabwe is run today can watch countless of videos on Youtube, i don't wanna explain everything what happend. Just that you know, under Mugabe, zimbabwe was fucked with ethic violence, crime, inflation and poverty. It's that bad that many old black Zimbabweans told that under Rhodesias white goverment, the times were better.
There were also many blacks in the Rhodesian army. White officers, black Soldiers basically. Rhodesia survived the toughest times and now it's remembered positivly.

Apartheid South Afica: Aftet the independence of the british colony of SA, the white goverment imposed apartheid laws that forbid any race mixing between whies-blacks-indians/asians-coloured people in SA. It had strict jim-crow like laws (segregated bathrooms, restaurants, etc.)

Whoever wants to read or listen about Apartheid south africa, i'll recommend to you 2 really good websites: Google and Youtube.

I'll skip over a lot now (it's 1am and im tired)
In the 90s, Nelson Mandela was released from prison. The white goverment asked the white population in SA if they wanted equal rights fro blacks-coloured-indians/asians. The vote was a clear YES. There were many white men that have gone to prison because of fucking some asian and black women (most famous is Breyten Breytenbach , imprisomed for fuckimg a half-vietnamese and marrying her (breaking 2 laws: The Mixed Marriages Act of 1949 and the Immorality Act (1950) ) and writing a book called "The True Confessions of an Albino Terrorist.")
After Mandela took power, the future was bright, untill he retired and his ANC collegues (The African National Congress is the party Mandela was the leader off) took office and everything went to shit! The ANC got more and more corrput over time. Many parts of the goverment went to shit as incompetent corrupt fuckheads run the country. Ask any South african, white or balck and they'll tell you that everything went to shit.
Some problems facing South africa today:
- Low shedding: Planned power outages bc the offical state run energy-company ESKOM can't produce enough electricity. Impcats eversy aspect of moderne life.
- High poverty and inequality: High crime rate in cities. High poverty among mostly black people.
- Corruption
- Race-violene: Who wants more info, google farm murders. TL;DR many black people that vote for the ANC are racist and there were many racist motivated murderes on white farmers. The ANC even sings openly racist songs that are against the boers (those europeans from dutch decent that came in SA back in thr 1680s.
- Bad economy: With all these factors, of course the economy is getting more fucked than a black chick on a mostly white college.

TL;DR

Whats your opinion on these White-run sometimes racist countries?

the_polbwcV2 said:

For those that aren't really interested in history, here a small explanaition.

Rhodesia: Today's zimbabwe. It was a british colony in south africa. When the decolonization in the 60s happend, the white minority felt it would be discriminated and bad off in a majoroty black rule state. Some of the black intellegenzia also didn't want a majority rule Rhodesia as most black people weren't educated and experience enough to rule in the goverment. Then there were those who wanted black majority rules: The communist groups of ZANU and ZAPU (Zimbabwe african national union and Zimbabwe african peoples union).
The white minority (inclouding with some blacks) decleared a UDI (Unilateral Declaration of Independence ) from britian. ZANU and ZAPU took up arms before, attacking white owned farms and killing the white owners (and black workers).
This was beginning of the Rhodesian bush war. In a nutshell, Rhodesia won the battle but not the war. Aka every battle in the war saw high ZANU/ZAPU casualties and low Rhodesian one. Rhodesia was sancrtioned by everybody (excluding south africa). It hold strong.
There were many massacres commited on both sides, but ZANU and ZAPU massacres were more senseless and brutal. BLack guerilla forces entered villages, where mostly black people lived, and massacred all of the villagers. Even tho they have the same fucking skin colour, the villagers worked for the white minority on farms and thats why they were targeted. But Rhodsia isn't really innocent either as it pursuit a chemical weapons program and was ruthless in its anti-terror operations.

The war went on from the late 60s till 1979. Ian Smith (Rhodesian President) and Robert Mugabe (ZANU Leader) made treaties. Rhodesia was named Rhodesia-Zimbabwe and then just Zimbabwe after a short civil war between the blacks. Many white farm owners left Rhodesia or were made to leave after MANY WARS in Zimbabwe and Robert Mugabe created a brutal dictatorial regime.
Whoever wants to know how badly Zimbabwe is run today can watch countless of videos on Youtube, i don't wanna explain everything what happend. Just that you know, under Mugabe, zimbabwe was fucked with ethic violence, crime, inflation and poverty. It's that bad that many old black Zimbabweans told that under Rhodesias white goverment, the times were better.
There were also many blacks in the Rhodesian army. White officers, black Soldiers basically. Rhodesia survived the toughest times and now it's remembered positivly.

Apartheid South Afica: Aftet the independence of the british colony of SA, the white goverment imposed apartheid laws that forbid any race mixing between whies-blacks-indians/asians-coloured people in SA. It had strict jim-crow like laws (segregated bathrooms, restaurants, etc.)

Whoever wants to read or listen about Apartheid south africa, i'll recommend to you 2 really good websites: Google and Youtube.

I'll skip over a lot now (it's 1am and im tired)
In the 90s, Nelson Mandela was released from prison. The white goverment asked the white population in SA if they wanted equal rights fro blacks-coloured-indians/asians. The vote was a clear YES. There were many white men that have gone to prison because of fucking some asian and black women (most famous is Breyten Breytenbach , imprisomed for fuckimg a half-vietnamese and marrying her (breaking 2 laws: The Mixed Marriages Act of 1949 and the Immorality Act (1950) ) and writing a book called "The True Confessions of an Albino Terrorist.")
After Mandela took power, the future was bright, untill he retired and his ANC collegues (The African National Congress is the party Mandela was the leader off) took office and everything went to shit! The ANC got more and more corrput over time. Many parts of the goverment went to shit as incompetent corrupt fuckheads run the country. Ask any South african, white or balck and they'll tell you that everything went to shit.
Some problems facing South africa today:
- Low shedding: Planned power outages bc the offical state run energy-company ESKOM can't produce enough electricity. Impcats eversy aspect of moderne life.
- High poverty and inequality: High crime rate in cities. High poverty among mostly black people.
- Corruption
- Race-violene: Who wants more info, google farm murders. TL;DR many black people that vote for the ANC are racist and there were many racist motivated murderes on white farmers. The ANC even sings openly racist songs that are against the boers (those europeans from dutch decent that came in SA back in thr 1680s.
- Bad economy: With all these factors, of course the economy is getting more fucked than a black chick on a mostly white college.

TL;DR

Whats your opinion on these White-run sometimes racist countries?

My opinion is that South Africa was objectively ran better and fairer under general white leadership. This isn’t even a racist thing for me either, as sometimes under very generous circumstances black people can do well enough on their own to a degree. For example take Rwanda and just how fucked that whole genocide situation was until very recently, they’ve embraced capitalism (as best they can), stopped being absolute retards (as best they can) and low and behold even they can turn a fucked situation around (with a lot of help from western aid) but still. They’re now at the very least capable of taking care of themselves and even having a say in world affairs.

The fact of the matter is, communism sucks, blacks fall for it rather easily and subsequently fuck their own countries up, and whites are better at thriving in Africa than Africans.

I though it was pretty obvious that everything was massively better when whites ran the place

Are things better now compared to when white people ruled? No.
Is self-determination a more ethical way of governing? Yes.
Are savages secretly hoping for the return of the white man? Also yes.