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fkiblaze said:
Well considering he went after the NGOs early that is less likely. I think they will just do the simple thing, wait until his term limits are over, and then replace him with some woke lefty, so ultimately im not sure how the long term resistance of Hungary will be, cause he cant rule forever.
who the fuck is even "they".
fkiblaze said:
Well considering he went after the NGOs early that is less likely. I think they will just do the simple thing, wait until his term limits are over, and then replace him with some woke lefty, so ultimately im not sure how the long term resistance of Hungary will be, cause he cant rule forever.
I feel like they’ll dick with him simply to blame some kind of political issue on him so they can reinstate a puppet like you’re thinking but they can’t just let him run his course. Hungarians and generally all Europeans are slowly waking up, mostly Eastern Europeans, but still. Regardless of if they’ll stop what’s happening in the future isn’t relevant, what’s relevant now is that Russia and China are ruining their little master plan lmao, as well as US citizens still being armed to the teeth despite the fed psyops to disarm the public among other issues, it’s just so funny seeing just how badly they miscalculated their timing.
AryanSuperSoldier said:
Small hat tribe
Stop being antisemitic. I love jews and I don't see the problem with them. They are our natural allies imo. Who today supports the jewish right except right-wing occidentalists ? It's our best opportunity to ally with them. Because they are intelligent and modern human beings. They are the natural ally of the West and they are confronted to similar problems as we are.
AryanSuperSoldier said:
I feel like they’ll dick with him simply to blame some kind of political issue on him so they can reinstate a puppet like you’re thinking but they can’t just let him run his course. Hungarians and generally all Europeans are slowly waking up, mostly Eastern Europeans, but still. Regardless of if they’ll stop what’s happening in the future isn’t relevant, what’s relevant now is that Russia and China are ruining their little master plan lmao, as well as US citizens still being armed to the teeth despite the fed psyops to disarm the public among other issues, it’s just so funny seeing just how badly they miscalculated their timing.
Oh my god, then some right-wingers are surprised we are so marginalized with such discourses. Of course then normies assimilate people like me to people like you so my discourse is automatically inaudible because of yours. You are ruining our opportunities.
Okay good, go live in islamized Russia and dictatorial China. People like you with your discourse go to PRISON in Russia. You understand that ? Plus the Russian authorities sent a young slavic adolescent because he burned the Quran in TCHETCHENIA where he was beaten violently.
Helvitano said:
Once again my point NEVER was that importing foreigners will help improve GDP per capita, it was that the country needed foreign workforce if the population didn't have enough children. I totally agree that we should completely cut welfare for foreigners and if they can't make enough money by themselves, we should send them back to their country. But even then by doing that, we would still need foreign workers in order to sustain the fact there are more and more old people and less and less young people in proportion.
Yet if they arent going to help GDP per capita then they arent needed to sustain a society. This is the general flaw in that thinking. Western countries still have way higher GDP per capita than countries with higher birth rates like africa and GDP per capita is literally how much is produced per person so the best measure of how sustainable a country is.
That's why there are way less people working in agriculture than before in Switzerland, yet we are more independent on that plan than 50-60-70 years ago so I don't understand your point ? I never negated that.
For tertiary jobs, tell me concretely to which jobs you are referring please.
Not sure what you point is about swiss either then. My point is they tend to be an exception compared to typical european countries as they are the one country that mostly has a democracy. As for the jobs i mean, it's all the beaurocratic jobs that just exist to give women and minorities a job. Like how in schools for example, the amount of administrators per teacher has massively increased compare to the 1950s, despite there being far less need for them because we have a lot more automation and computers programs, like Microsoft excel.
Don't speak so soon, don't speak so soon. China have also serious problems linked to natality. To add to my argument, Russia wasn't conquered by the US but still, it is a completely islamized country where slavics are becoming slowly but surely a minority (like in the UK, France, Belgium, etc).
Western European countries also gave temporary work visas decades ago, after the 2nd world war. Who would have though in France or Germany that their countries would look like what they look today ? Nobody, it was totally unimaginable.
Also, yes I am in favour of only temporary visas with natalist policies. BUT STILL, they need these foreign workers because the population doesn't have enough children.
China is the strongest economy in the world, they have no problems there. And like i said near the start of the conversation, many people knew what the west would look like now cause it was literally the plan. They were brought here as permanent residents not temporary, hence why they were given welfare and social housing. I mean in the UK, Enoch Powell most notably made a speech in the past about it, but he wasnt the first one.
"The top 500 companies account for pretty much the entire economy" 🤡🤡🤡
Once again, those are a very small minority of all jobs. Please tell me concretely to what jobs you are referring because you seem to think most jobs in big companies are useless, which they are not.
I go over examples earlier in this reply above.
No, you are the one that's losing the thread of the conversation and then constantly changing the points you are making as the days pass, making it confusing because if we reread what you wrote, it's always a different point every time you answer.
Can you list a single point ive changed? I make more than one point because you make more than one comment, but i havent changed any points.
Okay so you can't appeal to what a scientist said about cancer although he studied that all of his life ? Okay so you can't trust scientists, you can't trust informaticians, you can't trust lawyers, you can trust nobody because you can never appeal to authority then. I don't understand why big companies are hiring lawyers, you can't appeal to their authority, it would just be a fallacy.
You can trust anyone you want, but when you are having a debate you have to prove and support your points yourself. If you dont know what you are talking about then you dont have a debate on it.
*CON*SPIRACIST. The vast vast vast majority of climatoligists are funded by NOBODY. It's not just the ones you hear about the most, when we ask the small ones we never hear about and that are funded by nobody, the vast majority says YES, climate change is true and is a crisis. You are just a conspiracist and I could see that since the beginning of our conversation, you have the typical line of conspiracists : Evil elites vs non-elites that are the victims of elites, mainstream is necessarily wrong, everything that goes against my point is funded by the enemy, etc.
Also, you really are comparing the propaganda the nazis and cpp were/are doing in school to the propaganda in the west ? Yes there is propaganda in schools, but bruh ? Just no.
Bruh, how do you think they get payed if they are funded by no one? God just gives them money? Climatology is a job like everything else and the pretty much the only people looking to hire them and green and leftist NGOs and government parties. There are a few who are retired, but the majority of retired ones tend to disagree with the mainstream on the threat of climate change, as they no longer have to worry about getting fired.
And why wouldnt i compare it. Government is government, in many ways the current west is even worse authoritarians than the nazis.
Idk who neocons are once again I don't live in the US, but yeah right-wingers once again in Western Europe tend to be just conservatives, meaning leftists from 20 years ago. In 2040, they will miss the good old time of 2020 when things were a bit less extreme far-left (if the right continues losing the cultural battle). No wonder they convince others. But it doesn't make a change at all.
And now you dont even know who neocons are despite literally having a debate about right wing politics. Somehow you keep surprising me on how little you know about politics. They are literally the largest group in the right, how can you not know this stuff but act so certain that you understand politics? get some self awareness before you start debating on your certainty of your political views bro.
I am talking about a debate on television. I am also speaking of videos that have hundreds of thousands if not millions of views. And I don't live in the US, so that's a very substantial number.
Ive never seen any actual know right winger ever lose a public debate to a leftist. Even the controlled opposition ones like ben sharpio or peterson. They lose to actual right wingers tho. And even if you want to say they only win 90%, that is still the vast majority so as a whole the left can convince anyone.
It was SLIGHTLY more important when you saw the percentages. It doesn't prove anything, oligarchy is a precise term that you cannot apply to our democracies JUST because the elites have more influence (which is perfectly normal once again). The people VOTE for the elite. In France, they could elect Eric Zemmour, the same way the Italians voted for Giorgia Meloni. Guess what ? The people are responsible for the elite governing them. If they have shitty leaders, most of the time, it's because the population votes in majority in a shitty way.
The elites select the candidates people vote on and see. If your choices are 99% the choices the elites allow you to have that is no different than the elites choosing themselves, and that doesn't show democracy even if it wasn't the case because once elected the politians have no obligation to even do what they said they would do. Democracy is when the people decide the rules/laws, like in Switzerland with referendums (tho not even there is everything a referendum). Democracy is not when you select between 2 elite approved candidates and then have to hope they do something you want. They do what the elite want them to. Even the majority of Europeans (something like 70% last time i checked) already believe politicians dont represent them, so your view is a minority even among normies. Even if you want to say theoretically democracy is possible in western societies if everyone payed attention to every vote their representatives make, and the reason we dont have democracy is because most people dont religiously follow politics, that still is de facto showing oligarchy, even if you say it's the people's fault they have an oligarchy. Regardless of who's fault it is, it still exists and how the system works, blame is an entirely different thing than function.
Gun rights in Switzerland is linked to the fact army is compulsory for men with the swiss citizenship and you can decide to keep your firearm or not at the end of your service. Also, I'm favourable to more gun regulation, wtf do you need a gun for ? I don't have a gun and never had a problem in my life, if you need a gun it's that the population is so violent that it needs to defend itself with GUNS, once again for me it shows how crazy americans tend to be.
Asian nations LITERALLY do not have economies of the past. They have modern globalized economies, which wasn't the case in the 1940s. Now if you want a protectionist economy okay that's another thing.
Doesn't matter what it's linked to, the fact is swiss have better gun rights than even Americans at this point. OK cool you are lucky and never had to deal with violence, but guess what, you are one person. Millions of people have to deal with it. In america there is a CDC estimated 1 million uses of guns for self defense every year, and that's just the cases people had guns, the vast majority of victims do not. So at minimum, if you could magic guns away you would be making at least 1 million more people every year in a victim of rape, burglary, muggings, etc. And yes, america is indeed has always been more violent than europe, because we have always been a far more diverse society. If you go to New Hampshire or Vermont that have European style demographies then sure, it is as safe as europe. And by the way, europe isnt as safe as it use to be. Since UK banned handguns the murder rate is allready over 60% higher than it use to be before the ban and that will keep rising as immigration continues.
I am from one of the most conservative Western European country so not really. And I was precisely born in the middle of the zoomer generation (if you know what I mean), as far away from gen y than gen alpha so I know it very well, from the oldest to the youngest part.
Nick's antisemitism and revisionism is the DUMBEST thing about him. This guy is a literal retard for saying things like that. His second dumbest positions is third-worldism and extreme conservatism. I really despise this dumb guy.
Oh my god, statism is the basis of what you have to have in order to live in a rich and prosperous society.
Nothing you say seems very right wing. And no, pretty much most of what nick says about jewish things i true, so it's one of his smarter points. Statism is also why societies have been getting worse. America was best when it was far less statist.
Conservatives want the society to be static. It doesn't change. It's great as it is. And sometimes they just want to go back 20-30 years in the past, that's not a project in society, there's a difference between inspiring (which they don't, on the opposite of what you said) yourself from the past to propose a new future with newer technologies notably and being constantly nostalgic of the past saying how things were better before and we should go back in time for this this this and that. They always oppose leftists' new proposals for conservative reasons and not to propose an alternative future, that is the problem.
I know Berlin was really decadent for the time and tbh I don't really see a problem with that, a too traditional society isn't good imo. Also, nazis were paranoid and saw communism everywhere, the same way they saw jews everywhere so once again it shows how dumb they are because it hasn't anything to do with actual communism, it's more linked to modernity and a more comfortable life.
No conservative thinks society is fine bro. They are called conservatives because the thing they want to conserve is a traditional view of humanity, even if that currently doesnt exist. It's like what the nazis did, they reach into a past that may or may not be mythical in order to inspire people today to make something better. Also no the nazis werent paranoid, they were proven right as modern society shows, and jews are directly linked to communisms and leftism, not all jews sure, but as a group. just like not all black people are criminals, but as a group they increase the crime rate a lot.
You are comparing the importance adolf hitler and george washington had to tony blair. LMAO.
I can guarantee you people that I read that have 20-30-40-50 years more than me and that have the same views as me know very well about him and the still have their views.
No one on the right that wrote a book before 1945 believed what you believed so no.
Once again PLEASE READ WHAT I AM SAYING, HELLO quit ignoring the parts you don't like about what I am writing : I get my political views not from mainstream media nor school (or I would be very woke), but from EXTREMELY marginalized right-wingers almost seen as the new Hitler (although they evidently aren't as they aren't antisemitic, they are democratic, etc).
Except the people you cited are literally the most mainstream right wing establishment. You cited people who are given a platform by the mainstream, just like a CNN news host.
My point NEVER was that Viktor Orban supported mass-migration, my point was that even elites that evidently aren't evil and anti-white STILL make migrant workers come work in their countries BECAUSE they need migrant workforce BECAUSE people don't have enough children and there isn't enough young people in comparison to older people. How do you explain someone like Viktor Orban makes immigrants come in if no there's no problem with the population aging ? Out of pleasure ?
What do you mean Orban makes immigrants come? there was practically no illegal or non-european immigrants staying in Hungary. Hungary is like 90% Hungarian and practically all of the remaining 10% are Europeans who share the same race and came before Orban got into power.
Oh yeah you keep ignoring the fact Meloni makes immigrants come in to WORK because young Italians are emigrating en masse and they have one of the lowest birth rates of Europe ? Once again, Viktor Orban does the SAME THING. Maybe a bit differently, yes, Meloni isn't perfect, but she isn't doing it because she's some sort of traitor.
Orban does not do the same thing. look the the immigration rates. Italiy is still being flooded with 3rd worlders. If they are coming to Italy to work why are they given social welfare and taxpayer housing.
Okay so what you're proposing to lower the birth rates is ban women getting more educated and contraception if I understood well ? Yikes, no thank you, because it's mainly what causes these low birth rates. Putin, the PiS (when in power), Orban, and many others are(/were) doing EVERYTHING in their power to try and make the natality rates rise. Sometimes it works, but only slightly, never ENOUGH (2.08 or more). If it was so simple as you said, Putin which is a dictator would have succeeded in doing it by now.
Contraception has nothing to do with it really(tho abortion does to a lesser extent), but education yes. The more women go to school when young, especially college, the less kids they have. And no you dont need to ban it. women werent banned from education in the past. the difference is they werent pushed into it and funded by the government to go to college as long as they could when they are young and fertile. Most women that went to college did so after they had kids. Colleges now literally have more women than men. If you want to raise the birth rate, you want a society to have it's women get married and have kids in their early 20s not waste their 20s at college to work some pointless corpo job until they are 40. the other thing is religion heavily increases birth rate, so you want less atheists. In fact this is entirely the reason Israel has a high birth rate for a 1st world country. Because they are pro religion. Atheists in israel are below replacement like the west, it's the orthodox jews that contribute all the birth rate. Also Im not sure if putin even cares about the birth rate much but as for Orban, it's because he is still a liberal when it comes to women. Same deal with china, the reason china has a low birth rate unlike the nazis despite their governments being very similarly run, is because the chinese make atheism and feminist materialism one of their core tenets they wont compromise on. If China wants to get their birth rate up, they must change and promote religion and stop encouraging women to go to college and careers when they are young.
We are speaking about how nazis saw french people (aryans or not ?). We are not talking about political things from nowadays. You speak like the people thinking the earth is flat, as if they would fake some ridiculous thing like that.
Wow mainstream is inherently wrong and I should listen more to some obscure and isolated historian and believe him over what the consensus is.
Well yea, of course because the earth being flat or round has no impact on their power, but other aspects do so they propagandize on that. If anything they help promote conspiracy theories like flat earth because it's a distraction from actual conspiracies that expose them. You will find many mainstream news sources talking about flat earth conspiracy, none will talk about Jewish conspiracies, because one is not a threat to them, and one is.
And you should look into things yourself and listen to what dissidents say to see if they are telling a truth, rather than trust the mainstream, cause a lot of the time, they are marginalized because they are a threat to power.
I never said protesters ALWAYS won. It depends on so many things, including how organized they are. But yes, it can have an impact, specially in the mind of people, not necessarily on the politics of the government.
France has lots of protests and they are also part of the countries where people have to work the least and where welfare is the most generous in the Western world. See, that's what happens when we follow blindly what the majority wants. A country far gone.
You deny any causation between the fact the AfD was rising in polls and suddenly, when there were those big protests, they started falling down in polls ? Okay.
I never said the opposite for Germany, I was speaking about the fact these mass protests HAVE HAD an impact on the polls. So please answer on that instead of diverting.
Organization matters yes, but that goes to elite power. It's an organized counter elite that wins, not a protest. It only has an impact on the minds of the people if the government and mainstream support it, otherwise it doesnt. How the mainstream media represents it matters to opinion. It can either be called "the masses rising up to support a change" or "dangerous radical extremists that are a threat to democracy" if they label it the opposite it doesnt have an effect. That is also why it's entirely pointless for the right to do normal protests cause they will be labeled that. And the AfD fell after the government officially announced they would start wire tapping it and ruled they were a dangerous threat to the constitution, and started to take more actions against them. Yes this includes denouncing them on state sponsored medias and paying astroturfed protests but as you even said, correlation isnt causation. The government use protests they sponsor as a cover to justify their actions, not the other way around. It was the action the government took that has an effect. And all this assumes they were even polling the same people in the first place. The government and mainstream will also just change the polls in a way to try to say something has less support, because they decide who they poll, for example polling in more leftist areas and cities rather than rural right wing area.
Yes but they can also be labelled as far-left and not being supported by the government. Look at how marginalized the far-left got in the eyes of the elites by being pro-Palestine and pro-Hamas in less than a year, in France. It's not necessarily anti-right-wing, even though it's way more frequent obviously, but it's due to the fact the left won the cultural battle, once again. If the right was winning the cultural battle, we would have the same things happening to the left / far-left.
Yes, i never said the dangerous extremists label applies only to right wingers. They tend to hate traditional labor leftists to a similar degree, too for example.
Oh yeah it's obviously just my youth. And the people that agree with me that are 10-20-30-40-50 years older that write books that are sold in tens of thousands ? Shhhh, don't speak about those, it's not part of my argumentary. And the people that thought like you did and changed their opinion with time ? Shhhh, stop speaking about those, they don't exist. There is literally a whole movement growing in the french-speaking part of Europe of people that agree with me.
Plus, even if what you were saying is true (which it's not), it doesn't smh disprove my points. The majority isn't necessarily right. Look at how right-wingers marginalized themselves, the majority of right-wingers is responsible of that and they were wrong.
Like i said there wont be a single right wing book written before 1945 that supports your view.
Helvitano said:
Stop being antisemitic. I love jews and I don't see the problem with them. They are our natural allies imo. Who today supports the jewish right except right-wing occidentalists ? It's our best opportunity to ally with them. Because they are intelligent and modern human beings. They are the natural ally of the West and they are confronted to similar problems as we are.
lol it's the opposite. They have always been natural enemies to the European for hundreds of years. This doesn't mean all of them are bad, it just means as a group they are the main cause of the problems in the west. Kind of like not every black person is a criminal, but as a group black people are responsible for a higher crime rate of a country. Just because right wing zionists are the only people who support jews (which isnt true, the center and mainstream political groups tend to all do, too) doesnt mean it proves they should be allied with. Not a lot of people support child rapists either, that doesnt make them a prime group to ally with. Jews just tend to antagonize everyone, which is why they were kicked out of over 100 countries. They have a mindset of superiority and thinking all the other races exist to serve them, while simultaneously constantly crying about being victims while oppressing other people (the whole "the jew cries out as he strikes you" mindset). Essentially the mindset they try to claim white people have, as it's projection.
Helvitano said:
Oh my god, then some right-wingers are surprised we are so marginalized with such discourses. Of course then normies assimilate people like me to people like you so my discourse is automatically inaudible because of yours. You are ruining our opportunities.
Okay good, go live in islamized Russia and dictatorial China. People like you with your discourse go to PRISON in Russia. You understand that ? Plus the Russian authorities sent a young slavic adolescent because he burned the Quran in TCHETCHENIA where he was beaten violently.
Islamised Russia.. You realise that every other European nation is being afflicted by this kind of mass immigration and destabilisation of culture BECAUSE of the Jews right? There is no other country you can go to that is Western or European that wont eventually or already has a significant portion of the population as Muslims or Arabs because they know to keep their women’s rights where they belong, and Westerners don’t whilst indulging in retarded shit like welfare and queer representation with open borders. All of this is deliberate, and all of it is forced.
Our success is not a consequence of women’s liberation and all other kinds of ‘social progress’, that you as a CUCK believe, these progresses are unfortunate consequences of our rapid industrial, military and economic success. I doubt you’re right wing so stop bemoaning as if you are, you’re probably Liberal (neoliberal?) in the traditional sense of that word, because of how clueless you are. Conservatives are no better if you wanna pretend to be that too.
Btw if I could speak Russian, I would consider a place to emigrate to. But that’s not my current plan anyways, but I appreciate the Russians for giving us all time. My bet is that you’re either just plain retarded, or a Hasbara asset. Most likely just retarded but it could be both.
Yet if they arent going to help GDP per capita then they arent needed to sustain a society. This is the general flaw in that thinking. Western countries still have way higher GDP per capita than countries with higher birth rates like africa and GDP per capita is literally how much is produced per person so the best measure of how sustainable a country is.
Okay let's do that easier given you don't seem to understand clearly. There are jobs that need to be done. There are NOT enough workers to do those jobs. Given white people don't have enough children, what does the government do ? Migrant workers. Capito ? Percebes agora ?
Not sure what you point is about swiss either then. My point is they tend to be an exception compared to typical european countries as they are the one country that mostly has a democracy. As for the jobs i mean, it's all the beaurocratic jobs that just exist to give women and minorities a job. Like how in schools for example, the amount of administrators per teacher has massively increased compare to the 1950s, despite there being far less need for them because we have a lot more automation and computers programs, like Microsoft excel.
You brought up the topic of agriculture on a thing I never negated sooooooooooo, you explain to me what your point about agriculture was ??
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. There are so many reasons why this is false. Bureaucracy first of all isn't inherently bad as it permits for organisations to focus on internal efficiency and minimize the time workers pass on non-productive tasks. And second of all, our world IS CHANGING. Yes, I am teaching you something new. Operations in companies are getting more and more complex, there are more regulations from the government, there is globalization (international operations), there are new management techniques, customer relations expanded, etc, etc. You seem to firmly believe in something and try making links non-stop over things that simply don't have links between one another to further prove your way of thinking. You know correlation isn't causation, right ?
Plus, are you really going to tell me those jobs account for more than half of the jobs existing ? Because if you only take white men, that's less than 50% of the population, so if you say those jobs were specifically created to give jobs to women and non-whites, that would mean according to you that most jobs are useless.
China is the strongest economy in the world, they have no problems there. And like i said near the start of the conversation, many people knew what the west would look like now cause it was literally the plan. They were brought here as permanent residents not temporary, hence why they were given welfare and social housing. I mean in the UK, Enoch Powell most notably made a speech in the past about it, but he wasnt the first one.
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. This is so retarded. China the strongest economy in the world ? W.T.F. It's literally an emerging country. Some Western nations still give them money to help them develop, W.T.F.
And they have problems, they have denatality problems and the government is already starting to try and make it so that the population has more children. So tf are you on ?
LMAO. You clearly don't know anything about France and Germany from then, they were here as guest workers and they didn't have access to welfare the same way they have today.
Can you list a single point ive changed? I make more than one point because you make more than one comment, but i havent changed any points.
I'm not going to go over 2 pages of walls of texts just to prove a point, you're the one that has to stop changing your points as if they were always the same and then pretending it's not true.
You can trust anyone you want, but when you are having a debate you have to prove and support your points yourself. If you dont know what you are talking about then you dont have a debate on it.
LMAO. Okay so if I debate with someone about whether gravity exists or not, I have to learn the theories and reasons why gravity exist, I cannot just quote a scientist specialized on that question because it would be "ApPeAl To AuThOrItY" ??????????????????????????? WTF ?
"If you dont know what you are talking about then you dont have a debate on it." Okay then why are you answering to my posts ?
Bruh, how do you think they get payed if they are funded by no one? God just gives them money? Climatology is a job like everything else and the pretty much the only people looking to hire them and green and leftist NGOs and government parties. There are a few who are retired, but the majority of retired ones tend to disagree with the mainstream on the threat of climate change, as they no longer have to worry about getting fired.
WTF. No, they aren't just hired by NGOs. There is the government (and not just the government parties), academic and research institutions (like universities), the private sector, medias, etc that hire them as well. You can't just say it's the NGOs and government parties, wtf, that's just false.
And why wouldnt i compare it. Government is government, in many ways the current west is even worse authoritarians than the nazis.
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And now you dont even know who neocons are despite literally having a debate about right wing politics. Somehow you keep surprising me on how little you know about politics. They are literally the largest group in the right, how can you not know this stuff but act so certain that you understand politics? get some self awareness before you start debating on your certainty of your political views bro.
Oh EXCUSE-ME FOR NOT BEING AMERICAN. You americans are so narcissistic you think the whole world revolve around you. Which is kind of true BUT no, European politics isn't the same as American politics. Excuse-me for being interested in my continent before yours. I never watch any american politician nor american news nor anything else. Are you really going to blame me for that ? That a European cannot speak about politics if he doesn't know about american politics ? Then you think it's a sign of ignorance if a non-american isn't interested in american politics the same way he is in the politics of his continent ?
Ive never seen any actual know right winger ever lose a public debate to a leftist. Even the controlled opposition ones like ben sharpio or peterson. They lose to actual right wingers tho. And even if you want to say they only win 90%, that is still the vast majority so as a whole the left can convince anyone.
Good for you, I've never seen any triplet which doesn't mean they don't exist.
The left can't convince anyone (you mistyped) but they still are winning the cultural battle.
The elites select the candidates people vote on and see. If your choices are 99% the choices the elites allow you to have that is no different than the elites choosing themselves, and that doesn't show democracy even if it wasn't the case because once elected the politians have no obligation to even do what they said they would do. Democracy is when the people decide the rules/laws, like in Switzerland with referendums (tho not even there is everything a referendum). Democracy is not when you select between 2 elite approved candidates and then have to hope they do something you want. They do what the elite want them to. Even the majority of Europeans (something like 70% last time i checked) already believe politicians dont represent them, so your view is a minority even among normies. Even if you want to say theoretically democracy is possible in western societies if everyone payed attention to every vote their representatives make, and the reason we dont have democracy is because most people dont religiously follow politics, that still is de facto showing oligarchy, even if you say it's the people's fault they have an oligarchy. Regardless of who's fault it is, it still exists and how the system works, blame is an entirely different thing than function.
You seem to think the elites are all part of some sort of obscure and secret organizations and they all coordinate themselves to give the illusion people have choice. NO. There is actual ideological disagreements, the same way there is in the population. This is so retarded.
LMAO, fortunately not everything is a referendum, with the number of laws changing every year.
Hello, I don't live in America once again. Plus the elite don't approve Trump at all.
Still disagree we are supposedly in an oligarchy.
Doesn't matter what it's linked to, the fact is swiss have better gun rights than even Americans at this point. OK cool you are lucky and never had to deal with violence, but guess what, you are one person. Millions of people have to deal with it. In america there is a CDC estimated 1 million uses of guns for self defense every year, and that's just the cases people had guns, the vast majority of victims do not. So at minimum, if you could magic guns away you would be making at least 1 million more people every year in a victim of rape, burglary, muggings, etc. And yes, america is indeed has always been more violent than europe, because we have always been a far more diverse society. If you go to New Hampshire or Vermont that have European style demographies then sure, it is as safe as europe. And by the way, europe isnt as safe as it use to be. Since UK banned handguns the murder rate is allready over 60% higher than it use to be before the ban and that will keep rising as immigration continues.
"Millions of people have to deal with it" There are 9 millions inhabitants in Switzerland. BRUH.
As I said, the problem is the population. But the matter of the fact is that more people are also victims of violent crimes because the bad guys do have the guns as well. So counterbalance that.............
"Since UK banned handguns the murder rate is allready over 60% higher than it use to be before the ban and that will keep rising as immigration continues." CORRELATION ISN'T CAUSATION. We all know why murder rates increased. I don't have the freedom of expression where I live to legally say it, but we all know.
Nothing you say seems very right wing. And no, pretty much most of what nick says about jewish things i true, so it's one of his smarter points. Statism is also why societies have been getting worse. America was best when it was far less statist.
I am literally one of the most if not the most right-wing person in my family, friends, and acquaintancies. And remember that I live in one of the most conservative countries of Western Europe. People see me as an ultra-radical right-winger. Oh yeah, you really thought the right was winning cultural battle ? If you go against egalitarianism, you're already considered very radical.
I love jews and obviously the holocaust is real and well-documented, I despise him and hope he doesn't spread his antisemitic and third-worldist ideology too much.
No conservative thinks society is fine bro. They are called conservatives because the thing they want to conserve is a traditional view of humanity, even if that currently doesnt exist. It's like what the nazis did, they reach into a past that may or may not be mythical in order to inspire people today to make something better. Also no the nazis werent paranoid, they were proven right as modern society shows, and jews are directly linked to communisms and leftism, not all jews sure, but as a group. just like not all black people are criminals, but as a group they increase the crime rate a lot.
Conservatives don't think society is fine. Once again, I will not repeat what I already said about conservatives and obviously the nazis weren't conservatives, they proposed a new future (although a horrible one) on the opposite of conservatives that are systematically technophobic and with their heads turned towards the past.
Jews are overrepresented in leftists political parties but it's less and less the case and that doesn't mean the majority of leftists destroying the Occident are jews. The sickness comes primarily from whites and you can't seem to bear hearing this truth. White people are mostly responsible from what is happening to them.
No one on the right that wrote a book before 1945 believed what you believed so no.
I am still waiting for you to quote a single book. I've asked many times. Still waiting.
Except the people you cited are literally the most mainstream right wing establishment. You cited people who are given a platform by the mainstream, just like a CNN news host.
Platform by the mainstream ????? PLATFORM BY THE MAINSTREAM ???????????? WTF are you talking about ??? The ones I follow are banned and censored from everywhere, and sometimes are threatened by the french or german justice because of what they say. Do you fucking know about who I am talking about ? You obviously don't. They are seen as ultra-radicals dangerous people (although it's clearly not the case). They are extremely marginalized among the right, probably the most marginalized among the right.
What do you mean Orban makes immigrants come? there was practically no illegal or non-european immigrants staying in Hungary. Hungary is like 90% Hungarian and practically all of the remaining 10% are Europeans who share the same race and came before Orban got into power.
Oh, I have bad news for you honey. Orban makes migrant workers from Asia come in. Temporarily, yes, but I never adovcated for anything opposite of that. He does that because he needs those migrant workers for the economy to continue growing because, once again, there are jobs not fulfilled without them given Hungarians don't have enough children. + He tried everything to make natality grow, if it was so easy as you said he would have succeeded to make the natality grow to 2.08 or more, but guess what ? He didn't succeed.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/08/04/faced-with-a-lack-of-manpower-hungary-quietly-opens-up-to-immigration_5992488_19.html
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/05/20/in-hungary-the-reality-of-immigration-lies-behind-hostile-propaganda_6027301_4.html
Orban does not do the same thing. look the the immigration rates. Italiy is still being flooded with 3rd worlders. If they are coming to Italy to work why are they given social welfare and taxpayer housing.
Because Meloni is trying to change things but they have all of the leftists, particularly those that decide if what a government does is legal or not against her, unlike in Hungary.
Contraception has nothing to do with it really(tho abortion does to a lesser extent), but education yes. The more women go to school when young, especially college, the less kids they have. And no you dont need to ban it. women werent banned from education in the past. the difference is they werent pushed into it and funded by the government to go to college as long as they could when they are young and fertile. Most women that went to college did so after they had kids. Colleges now literally have more women than men. If you want to raise the birth rate, you want a society to have it's women get married and have kids in their early 20s not waste their 20s at college to work some pointless corpo job until they are 40. the other thing is religion heavily increases birth rate, so you want less atheists. In fact this is entirely the reason Israel has a high birth rate for a 1st world country. Because they are pro religion. Atheists in israel are below replacement like the west, it's the orthodox jews that contribute all the birth rate. Also Im not sure if putin even cares about the birth rate much but as for Orban, it's because he is still a liberal when it comes to women. Same deal with china, the reason china has a low birth rate unlike the nazis despite their governments being very similarly run, is because the chinese make atheism and feminist materialism one of their core tenets they wont compromise on. If China wants to get their birth rate up, they must change and promote religion and stop encouraging women to go to college and careers when they are young.
Literally the birth rates started declining significantly when contraception was invented, given it permitted for young couples to decide how many children they would have. Before it was one per year (if they had no fertility problems and had sex regularly).
I have seen so many women that went to college and that are at the head of small companies that have 2-3-4 children, quit saying it's not possible for women to go to college and have responsibilites while having many kids. The problem is the mentalities, not the fact women go to college.
Yeah no thanks with your christian religion or any other man-made religion, you have to push for a new future and push towards natality for new reasons. Because we need children for the economy to grow, to have more researchers and to live in an even more technologically advanced society and with more comfortable living conditions. Living in a society does not just grant you rights but also duties. We have to articulate a whole ideology around the pulsion of life and towards excellency. And having kids is part of this pulsion of life and excellency. Not some god man-made centuries ago.
Putin is literally doing so many things for russians to have kids, he has done for YEARS AND YEARS, literally. If you go see the Russian birth rates, you'll see at some point it increased. Guess who's behind that increase ?
Once again, is Israel not feminist and pro-LGBT ? Yet they have high birth rates. So the issue isn't necessarily feminism.
Well yea, of course because the earth being flat or round has no impact on their power, but other aspects do so they propagandize on that. If anything they help promote conspiracy theories like flat earth because it's a distraction from actual conspiracies that expose them. You will find many mainstream news sources talking about flat earth conspiracy, none will talk about Jewish conspiracies, because one is not a threat to them, and one is.
Okay so tell me concretely how it could have an impact on their power to know whether French people were considered as Aryans or not ? You are once again diverting from the initial subject although I am constantly reminding you this is about to know whether French people were considered as aryans or not.
Jewish conspiracies are as dumb as the flat earth and I've literally just made a Bing search and found loads of mainstream articles about Jewish conspiracy theories.
You are a conspiracist evidently as you believe the elite controls everything and are against the non-elites being manipulated by them for their own benefit. This is the most retarded position one can have literally.
And you should look into things yourself and listen to what dissidents say to see if they are telling a truth, rather than trust the mainstream, cause a lot of the time, they are marginalized because they are a threat to power.
We are talking about a consensus among historians, not just the mainstream ones. Also, lots of time, they are marginalized not because they are a threat to power but because they're deluded and spreading fake news.
Organization matters yes, but that goes to elite power. It's an organized counter elite that wins, not a protest. It only has an impact on the minds of the people if the government and mainstream support it, otherwise it doesnt. How the mainstream media represents it matters to opinion. It can either be called "the masses rising up to support a change" or "dangerous radical extremists that are a threat to democracy" if they label it the opposite it doesnt have an effect. That is also why it's entirely pointless for the right to do normal protests cause they will be labeled that. And the AfD fell after the government officially announced they would start wire tapping it and ruled they were a dangerous threat to the constitution, and started to take more actions against them. Yes this includes denouncing them on state sponsored medias and paying astroturfed protests but as you even said, correlation isnt causation. The government use protests they sponsor as a cover to justify their actions, not the other way around. It was the action the government took that has an effect. And all this assumes they were even polling the same people in the first place. The government and mainstream will also just change the polls in a way to try to say something has less support, because they decide who they poll, for example polling in more leftist areas and cities rather than rural right wing area.
That is so retarded. One example. In France, the government proposed to listen to spokesmen of the yellow jackets when there was the protest to change laws BUT guess what ? They weren't organized enough, everyone wanted to become spokesman and the revendications were going in every direction. Had they been more organized, the government would have discussed with them and very probably found a compromise. THIS. IS. FALSE. It's not because the government doesn't support a protest that it doesn't impact it.
Also, no, the government don't call only dichotomically either dangerous radical extremists or masses rising for a change. That's just false.
For the AfD : nope, I remember very well that I was looking at the polls just after the mass protests and the party had already sunk in percentage AND ONLY THEN, a few weeks later, they ruled that they could legally spy on them for suspicion of extremism.
LMAO. Literally always conspiracist thinking, there's no way in reasoning with you. You are literally just a conspiracist that thinks the government and elites control everything. Do you even know how polling works ? They take into account your age, your political party, where you live, how much people in your household win, how many people live in your household, your education, if you voted or not for the last election, ETC, ETC. And they adjust in order to have a representative result.
Yes, i never said the dangerous extremists label applies only to right wingers. They tend to hate traditional labor leftists to a similar degree, too for example.
Pro-Hamas and pro-Palestine supporters and people from LFI are certainly not traditional labour leftists, yet they still marginalized themselves because of their pro-islamist positions.
Like i said there wont be a single right wing book written before 1945 that supports your view.
Still not quoting any ? Owww. Okay, still waiting.
fkiblaze said:
lol it's the opposite. They have always been natural enemies to the European for hundreds of years. This doesn't mean all of them are bad, it just means as a group they are the main cause of the problems in the west. Kind of like not every black person is a criminal, but as a group black people are responsible for a higher crime rate of a country. Just because right wing zionists are the only people who support jews (which isnt true, the center and mainstream political groups tend to all do, too) doesnt mean it proves they should be allied with. Not a lot of people support child rapists either, that doesnt make them a prime group to ally with. Jews just tend to antagonize everyone, which is why they were kicked out of over 100 countries. They have a mindset of superiority and thinking all the other races exist to serve them, while simultaneously constantly crying about being victims while oppressing other people (the whole "the jew cries out as he strikes you" mindset). Essentially the mindset they try to claim white people have, as it's projection.
That's so retarded, most woke leftists that keep pushing for the destruction of our civilization are white fyi.
AryanSuperSoldier said:
Islamised Russia.. You realise that every other European nation is being afflicted by this kind of mass immigration and destabilisation of culture BECAUSE of the Jews right? There is no other country you can go to that is Western or European that wont eventually or already has a significant portion of the population as Muslims or Arabs because they know to keep their women’s rights where they belong, and Westerners don’t whilst indulging in retarded shit like welfare and queer representation with open borders. All of this is deliberate, and all of it is forced.
Our success is not a consequence of women’s liberation and all other kinds of ‘social progress’, that you as a CUCK believe, these progresses are unfortunate consequences of our rapid industrial, military and economic success. I doubt you’re right wing so stop bemoaning as if you are, you’re probably Liberal (neoliberal?) in the traditional sense of that word, because of how clueless you are. Conservatives are no better if you wanna pretend to be that too.Btw if I could speak Russian, I would consider a place to emigrate to. But that’s not my current plan anyways, but I appreciate the Russians for giving us all time. My bet is that you’re either just plain retarded, or a Hasbara asset. Most likely just retarded but it could be both.
Every single sentence in this comment is retarded and frankly I don't want to enter in another debate with another third-worldist pro-Russian and antisemtic dude over the internet.
AryanSuperSoldier said:
Islamised Russia.. You realise that every other European nation is being afflicted by this kind of mass immigration and destabilisation of culture BECAUSE of the Jews right? There is no other country you can go to that is Western or European that wont eventually or already has a significant portion of the population as Muslims or Arabs because they know to keep their women’s rights where they belong, and Westerners don’t whilst indulging in retarded shit like welfare and queer representation with open borders. All of this is deliberate, and all of it is forced.
Our success is not a consequence of women’s liberation and all other kinds of ‘social progress’, that you as a CUCK believe, these progresses are unfortunate consequences of our rapid industrial, military and economic success. I doubt you’re right wing so stop bemoaning as if you are, you’re probably Liberal (neoliberal?) in the traditional sense of that word, because of how clueless you are. Conservatives are no better if you wanna pretend to be that too.Btw if I could speak Russian, I would consider a place to emigrate to. But that’s not my current plan anyways, but I appreciate the Russians for giving us all time. My bet is that you’re either just plain retarded, or a Hasbara asset. Most likely just retarded but it could be both.
You know what fuck that, I will answer regardless.
1. Most leftists pushing for more migration and wokeism are whites.
2. You're so misogynistic you don't even think women should have the same rights as men, wtf ??????????? You support the population forcing their women to veil and where domestic violence is normalized and wide-spread ?????????????
3. None of this is forced, white people decided to open borders and give visas. Proof : some countries are stopping this process, like in Denmark, Sweden or Finland.
4. In every single country that has more and more access to technology, women are demanding and getting more rights. Is it the fault of the Jews as well ???????
5. Not being antisemitic and misogynistic doesn't make one a liberal. And I am anti-conservative as I stated many times so no, certainly not.
6. Oh yeah, you think Russians' life is so great ? You saw Tucker Carlson's pro-Putin propaganda and now you're like "wow, what a great place to live in". An astonishing percentage of Russians DON'T EVEN HAVE TOILETS. Do you realize ? They live in poorness.
7. If only I was paid by Israel smh lmao. I love jews and am a zionist, so what ?
Edit : oh yeah now that I posted you already answered so proudly smh whilst I was typing LMAO.
Helvitano said:
You know what fuck that, I will answer regardless.
1. Most leftists pushing for more migration and wokeism are whites.
2. You're so misogynistic you don't even think women should have the same rights as men, wtf ??????????? You support the population forcing their women to veil and where domestic violence is normalized and wide-spread ?????????????
3. None of this is forced, white people decided to open borders and give visas. Proof : some countries are stopping this process, like in Denmark, Sweden or Finland.
4. In every single country that has more and more access to technology, women are demanding and getting more rights. Is it the fault of the Jews as well ???????
5. Not being antisemitic and misogynistic doesn't make one a liberal. And I am anti-conservative as I stated many times so no, certainly not.
6. Oh yeah, you think Russians' life is so great ? You saw Tucker Carlson's pro-Putin propaganda and now you're like "wow, what a great place to live in". An astonishing percentage of Russians DON'T EVEN HAVE TOILETS. Do you realize ? They live in poorness.
7. If only I was paid by Israel smh lmao. I love jews and am a zionist, so what ?Edit : oh yeah now that I posted you already answered so proudly smh whilst I was typing LMAO.
1. Most people are normies, and most normies follow whatever the media and institutions tell them to follow, ie the Zeitgeist. Particularly women and minorities but also just weak people in general, because weakness is the champion cause of the left. Who owns/funds/runs these institutions that push these messages, write the curriculums, and disseminate information for the public?
2. They should have their right to vote restored to where it should be yes. Though like a retard you are you either believe or just want to paint me as some kind of evil other, by conflating with me third worlders who literally can’t educate their women like we in the west religiously do. Was the 18th-19th century of the West ‘third world’ to you? Irregardless of the passage of time affecting many technological breakthroughs in medicine and science, do you genuinely believe that western culture back then was barbaric and uncivilised like how you paint the third world/middle eastern countries?
3. Forced is a tricky word. They are compelled by their owners, the people who really run their state is the international system, the EU, UN, WEF, all this shit that compels them to comply with threats of all kinds if they don’t.
4. No not everything is the fault of the Jews, and not every Jew is bad. It’s the industrial society system and the consequences of the two World Wars that enabled this delusion that women are equal to men.
5. What do you think I mean when I say ‘traditional liberal’? I’m curious.
6. Have you been to Russia? I haven’t. So if you have I’d like to know with proof of what you’ve seen. Because I wouldn’t just settle there without first visiting to see if I like the place. Idc about your weird hatred of Russia, and GDP and Standards of living are not everything.
7. You’re either clueless or deliberately maligned
Helvitano said:
Okay let's do that easier given you don't seem to understand clearly. There are jobs that need to be done. There are NOT enough workers to do those jobs. Given white people don't have enough children, what does the government do ? Migrant workers. Capito ? Percebes agora ?
You brought up the topic of agriculture on a thing I never negated sooooooooooo, you explain to me what your point about agriculture was ??
Let me make their easier for you to understand, too. Ive worked with heavy equipment in America and operated machinery. When a hole needs to be dug here we will have a backhoe come in and finish it in less than a day, etc. when i go to 3rd world countries on vacation id see people digging the same hole near the side of the road, but instead of a guy in a backhoe, it would be 100 brown people standing around 1 hole with shovels. Why do you think the GDP per capita is so much higher here? If 1 person can do the job of 100, what makes you think we are at some risk of not having enough workers any time soon?
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. There are so many reasons why this is false. Bureaucracy first of all isn't inherently bad as it permits for organisations to focus on internal efficiency and minimize the time workers pass on non-productive tasks. And second of all, our world IS CHANGING. Yes, I am teaching you something new. Operations in companies are getting more and more complex, there are more regulations from the government, there is globalization (international operations), there are new management techniques, customer relations expanded, etc, etc. You seem to firmly believe in something and try making links non-stop over things that simply don't have links between one another to further prove your way of thinking. You know correlation isn't causation, right ?
Plus, are you really going to tell me those jobs account for more than half of the jobs existing ? Because if you only take white men, that's less than 50% of the population, so if you say those jobs were specifically created to give jobs to women and non-whites, that would mean according to you that most jobs are useless.
Actually managerialism and bureaucracy are one the those reasons the west is starting to do much worse. It's bunch of pointless positions of power, expanding their own power and job base like a parasite that multiplies as it sucks the host dry. Yes, many of these jobs are do to government regulation, but the solution there is to get rid of the parasitical government regulation. And yes over half the jobs are pointless or ever worse, destructive. Most jobs simply exist to make some people money, not to do anything productive. One again I give you the example of that tucker carlson interview with the guy who created telegram. 20 dudes can do the job of thousands of pointless departments and workers in some multibillion dollar tech company. Even jordan peterson points out the pareato principle. As he pointed out in that interview, when he went to other CEOs and talked to them about it, including Jack Dorsey, the former owner of twitter they agreed with him and know that. They said the reason they dont change the structure of the companies is because they are publicly traded companies, where as Telegram is not listed on the stock exchange like twitter was or facebook or google are. Just listing your company as public ends up causing a bunch of inefficiencies through regulations that should not exist and use to not.
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. This is so retarded. China the strongest economy in the world ? W.T.F. It's literally an emerging country. Some Western nations still give them money to help them develop, W.T.F.
And they have problems, they have denatality problems and the government is already starting to try and make it so that the population has more children. So tf are you on ?
LMAO. You clearly don't know anything about France and Germany from then, they were here as guest workers and they didn't have access to welfare the same way they have today.
Yes china is the strongest economy on the world. You can look at any economic data and it's true. That isnt even some "conspiracy" or controversial. Even mainstream European politians will tell you that. That is why china is the west's #1 threat. It's why Trump started a trade war. And china is going around funding and giving money in deals with african and latin america countries. They are the main colonial power right now, too.
I'm not going to go over 2 pages of walls of texts just to prove a point, you're the one that has to stop changing your points as if they were always the same and then pretending it's not true.
I only asked for one example, not every example.
LMAO. Okay so if I debate with someone about whether gravity exists or not, I have to learn the theories and reasons why gravity exist, I cannot just quote a scientist specialized on that question because it would be "ApPeAl To AuThOrItY" ??????????????????????????? WTF ?
"If you dont know what you are talking about then you dont have a debate on it." Okay then why are you answering to my posts ?
Logically explaining gravity is easy. You dont need to know every bit of quantum mechanics to show it. Isaac newton didn't. What you learn in highschool is enough. But yes, if you dont know what you are talking about you dont start an argument over it and waste a lot of time. If someone starts an argument with you, you are allowed to say "I believe X because I trust this guy and he seems to know what he is saying", but then the debate is not with you, it becomes about arguing with the guy you trust or trying to discredit him and show he doesn't know what he is talking about.
WTF. No, they aren't just hired by NGOs. There is the government (and not just the government parties), academic and research institutions (like universities), the private sector, medias, etc that hire them as well. You can't just say it's the NGOs and government parties, wtf, that's just false.
Let me make this simple for you. Practically none of the climatologist you are talking about does any production in current time(no making models that become obsolete and incorrect in 10 years is not production), it's all about how companies need to stop making profits or the world will die. What is the point of hiring a guy that can't make your business any money? Obviously there is none, so know climateologists all work for the green NGOs or regulators or international government bodies. Yes there are some "private companies" they work for but these are the green private companies that make money off government contracts replacing fossil fuels with green energy or are directly giving grants by government and NGOs in order to fund more climate propaganda for them. IE even then they are still payed to be propagandists for their green businesses.
Oh EXCUSE-ME FOR NOT BEING AMERICAN. You americans are so narcissistic you think the whole world revolve around you. Which is kind of true BUT no, European politics isn't the same as American politics. Excuse-me for being interested in my continent before yours. I never watch any american politician nor american news nor anything else. Are you really going to blame me for that ? That a European cannot speak about politics if he doesn't know about american politics ? Then you think it's a sign of ignorance if a non-american isn't interested in american politics the same way he is in the politics of his continent ?
Considering most of europe is essentially a vassal of America to the point we can destroy their infrastructure and they arent allowed to say or so anything about it (ie cases like the pipeline we bombed to germany, one of the most expensive acts of industrial terrorism ever caused.) you probably should be paying attention. And regardless there are plenty of essentially neocons in europe.
You seem to think the elites are all part of some sort of obscure and secret organizations and they all coordinate themselves to give the illusion people have choice. NO. There is actual ideological disagreements, the same way there is in the population. This is so retarded.
LMAO, fortunately not everything is a referendum, with the number of laws changing every year.
Hello, I don't live in America once again. Plus the elite don't approve Trump at all.
Still disagree we are supposedly in an oligarchy.
When did i say all elites are on the same side. In fact i said the opposite? I said change comes through a counter elite that disagrees.
"Millions of people have to deal with it" There are 9 millions inhabitants in Switzerland. BRUH.
As I said, the problem is the population. But the matter of the fact is that more people are also victims of violent crimes because the bad guys do have the guns as well. So counterbalance that.............
"Since UK banned handguns the murder rate is allready over 60% higher than it use to be before the ban and that will keep rising as immigration continues." CORRELATION ISN'T CAUSATION. We all know why murder rates increased. I don't have the freedom of expression where I live to legally say it, but we all know.
I was talking about america with millions of people, in the case of Switzerland which one of the reason it's so safe is because everyone knows everyone else was trained with a gun and likely has one (though not the only reason obviously), it would literally just be thousands of more that have to deal with crimes, cause obviously they have a smaller and safer population. And no, criminals dont need guns or even legal guns to commit crime, you admit it at you last sentence. Crime is raising in europe not because of guns but because of importing people who are more criminal. London past liberal NYC city in murder rates that one year not to long ago, afaik most criminals in london use machetes and knives, though some still use guns. In Sweden they use grenades. Ultimately a 200 pound african can rape or mug a 100 pound white girl just as easily with a machete as a gun. The 100 pound white can ONLY fight back with a gun. guns equalize things with criminals. Not to mention the aspect of gun rights protecting other rights. As you said, look at Europeans now after they took your guns, you cant even speak out against the criminals or you go to jail. no gun rights, no free speech or any other rights. The second protects every other right.
I am literally one of the most if not the most right-wing person in my family, friends, and acquaintancies. And remember that I live in one of the most conservative countries of Western Europe. People see me as an ultra-radical right-winger. Oh yeah, you really thought the right was winning cultural battle ? If you go against egalitarianism, you're already considered very radical.
I love jews and obviously the holocaust is real and well-documented, I despise him and hope he doesn't spread his antisemitic and third-worldist ideology too much.
no one really argues against the holocaust dude, it's arguments over the numbers or the methods. No, i dont believe nazis made jews climb up trees and then other jews cut them down so it falls on the jew and kills both jews like they said in the Nuremburg trials.
Conservatives don't think society is fine. Once again, I will not repeat what I already said about conservatives and obviously the nazis weren't conservatives, they proposed a new future (although a horrible one) on the opposite of conservatives that are systematically technophobic and with their heads turned towards the past.
Jews are overrepresented in leftists political parties but it's less and less the case and that doesn't mean the majority of leftists destroying the Occident are jews. The sickness comes primarily from whites and you can't seem to bear hearing this truth. White people are mostly responsible from what is happening to them.
Yes, jews are becoming less and less as a portion because they have literally been imported massive amounts of other hostile groups. That doesn't mean they werent the reason it started and exists. And no, even white women, let alone all whites are still majority conservative/republican. Yes jews influence many whites, but once again if it wasnt for them that influence wouldnt exist.
I am still waiting for you to quote a single book. I've asked many times. Still waiting.
Carlyle, Evola, Ford, etc. you can read any of these writers.
Platform by the mainstream ????? PLATFORM BY THE MAINSTREAM ???????????? WTF are you talking about ??? The ones I follow are banned and censored from everywhere, and sometimes are threatened by the french or german justice because of what they say. Do you fucking know about who I am talking about ? You obviously don't. They are seen as ultra-radicals dangerous people (although it's clearly not the case). They are extremely marginalized among the right, probably the most marginalized among the right.
The ones you listened, like juden peterstein are infact platformed by the mainstream. Why do you think he become popular, he was just one of the many random people that got fired for speaking out against trans people. Why him over anyone else or more established right wingers? well obviously because the mainstream media and organizations gave him countless interviews and propped him up as a "cool edgy right winger". He was given mainstream debates on mainstream channels with millions of views, like the channel 4 debate on the BBC. This is what they do, pick some guy who they can label a face of the right, who ultimately they pick because he is a good gatekeeper. They never pick far more organic and longer established right wingers like ryan faulk or jared taylor. You probably never even heard of those people despite their political activism long before jordan peterson was ever heard about. (none of this is to say everything peterson says is false, in fact good gatekeeps do say a lot of true stuff, so nothing wrong if you think his self help stuff helped you. Gate keepers exist just to keep conversation on certain topics and not others. In the case of him he is very against white nationalism/collectivism and pro-zionist)
Oh, I have bad news for you honey. Orban makes migrant workers from Asia come in. Temporarily, yes, but I never adovcated for anything opposite of that. He does that because he needs those migrant workers for the economy to continue growing because, once again, there are jobs not fulfilled without them given Hungarians don't have enough children. + He tried everything to make natality grow, if it was so easy as you said he would have succeeded to make the natality grow to 2.08 or more, but guess what ? He didn't succeed.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2022/08/04/faced-with-a-lack-of-manpower-hungary-quietly-opens-up-to-immigration_5992488_19.html
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/05/20/in-hungary-the-reality-of-immigration-lies-behind-hostile-propaganda_6027301_4.html
Once again, as we talked about in asian nations, having a few temporary workers is not the same as mass importing permanent residence and putting them on welfare. Every nation in existence has had temporary workers. Even china or north Korea. The nazis literally had temporary jewish workers, too, although he obviously treated them worse than most countries would. And again, he hasn't increased the birth rates because he is trying through liberal feminist methods. Doing that is quite hard since it's liberal feminism that lowers birth rates.
Because Meloni is trying to change things but they have all of the leftists, particularly those that decide if what a government does is legal or not against her, unlike in Hungary.
Or it's because she was trained by the person responsible for mass immigration and modern leftism into UK, and also is a woman so easily socially influenced by people around her.
Literally the birth rates started declining significantly when contraception was invented, given it permitted for young couples to decide how many children they would have. Before it was one per year (if they had no fertility problems and had sex regularly).
No it did not. Numerous contraception methods have always existed, and if you just mean the birth control pill, it was invented after birth rates started falling. in fact weimar germany existed before the pill and it had typical below replacement European birth rates. hitler didnt ban the pill to increase the birth rate to replacement, because it never existed. One again, we literally talked about how past societies like Ancient Greece had that issue. Tiberius Gracchus in before 100BC made a speech about it that would sound exactly like someone now.
I have seen so many women that went to college and that are at the head of small companies that have 2-3-4 children, quit saying it's not possible for women to go to college and have responsibilites while having many kids. The problem is the mentalities, not the fact women go to college.
No one said it was impossible, or are you saying the average birth rate is 4 children per mother in the west? we are talking about averages.
Yeah no thanks with your christian religion or any other man-made religion, you have to push for a new future and push towards natality for new reasons. Because we need children for the economy to grow, to have more researchers and to live in an even more technologically advanced society and with more comfortable living conditions. Living in a society does not just grant you rights but also duties. We have to articulate a whole ideology around the pulsion of life and towards excellency. And having kids is part of this pulsion of life and excellency. Not some god man-made centuries ago.
Putin is literally doing so many things for russians to have kids, he has done for YEARS AND YEARS, literally. If you go see the Russian birth rates, you'll see at some point it increased. Guess who's behind that increase ?
Once again, is Israel not feminist and pro-LGBT ? Yet they have high birth rates. So the issue isn't necessarily feminism.
Christianity isnt man made btw, it was made by God. It's always existed as an oral tradition as the ancient hebrew religion since the first humans were born. Even if you want to say there is not enough facts proving it, it's also the case there is nothing disproving what i said.
And no, just cause jews push feminism and pro-lgbt in the west doesnt mean that's how all their people are in their homeland. As i stated, there are athiest and liberal jews in israel, but these have no different birth rates than westerners, they are below replacement. It's the orthodox jews that have all the kids in israel, because Netanyahu gives them a bunch of freedom to have their own communities and not have to deal with feminism. It's much like the case with the Amish in america who also have a lot of kids, but instead of the amish not even being 1% of the population, and it being a hard thing to become because of regulations, orthodox jews are a large portion of israel population and it's encouraged and incredibly easy to join their community as a jew.
Okay so tell me concretely how it could have an impact on their power to know whether French people were considered as Aryans or not ? You are once again diverting from the initial subject although I am constantly reminding you this is about to know whether French people were considered as aryans or not.
Are you serious. WW2 and nazis is the origin myth of western civilization. Everything done is because of that basis, so nazis obviously fill the role of the devil in the political religion. Nazis have to be portrayed as an ultimate evil that wanted to conquered everyone and take over the world. It they are portrayed as what they were, just an anti-bolshevik government that wanted to defeat the eastern Bolsheviks, it would take away from that mythology.
Jewish conspiracies are as dumb as the flat earth and I've literally just made a Bing search and found loads of mainstream articles about Jewish conspiracy theories.
You can always find a bunch of anime girls with nazi tattoos on the internet. Yes the internet lets you find anything, that isn't what the mainstream is.
You are a conspiracist evidently as you believe the elite controls everything and are against the non-elites being manipulated by them for their own benefit. This is the most retarded position one can have literally.
wow it's almost like i believe how the world has always worked and anyone who writes about politics with knowledge knows how it works.
We are talking about a consensus among historians, not just the mainstream ones. Also, lots of time, they are marginalized not because they are a threat to power but because they're deluded and spreading fake news.
Once again you never bothered to look into the consensus of historians. The consensus of historians is the nazis also considered French and British as Aryans. And it's a catch 22, if you dont want to believe non-mainstream historians because they are marginalized, then you wont believe anything that isnt mainstream because they marginalize people that go against them.
That is so retarded. One example. In France, the government proposed to listen to spokesmen of the yellow jackets when there was the protest to change laws BUT guess what ? They weren't organized enough, everyone wanted to become spokesman and the revendications were going in every direction. Had they been more organized, the government would have discussed with them and very probably found a compromise. THIS. IS. FALSE. It's not because the government doesn't support a protest that it doesn't impact it.
And if they were more organized they are more of a threat so the government will take more action against them like with the truckers in Canada. They always have an excuse why they wont do what the people say when it goes against when they want.
Also, no, the government don't call only dichotomically either dangerous radical extremists or masses rising for a change. That's just false.
For the AfD : nope, I remember very well that I was looking at the polls just after the mass protests and the party had already sunk in percentage AND ONLY THEN, a few weeks later, they ruled that they could legally spy on them for suspicion of extremism.
LMAO. Literally always conspiracist thinking, there's no way in reasoning with you. You are literally just a conspiracist that thinks the government and elites control everything. Do you even know how polling works ? They take into account your age, your political party, where you live, how much people in your household win, how many people live in your household, your education, if you voted or not for the last election, ETC, ETC. And they adjust in order to have a representative result.
Can you name a single anti-establishment protest that wasnt said to be dangerous extremists or radicals? And no, the wiretapping thing was not the first bit of persecution they did against the AFD. They started even over a year ago. The wire tapping is just the most recent thing, and once again 90% of those types of protests are literally organized by the government or NGOs payed by the government. Even if you want to say it has some impact on public opinion, it's irrelevant because they are made as pro-establishment protests and the government wouldnt listen to them even if the counter protest from the AfD had 10 times as many people, as many times is the case for right wing protests against leftists. My claim was never that NGOs cant have an impact on public opinion, in fact that is what they tend to try to do. My point is public opinion is irrelevant to what the government decides. They decide something first and then take action to influence public opinion after. Their decision is the AfD is bad, and they take actions to work against the AfD. It is wiretapping now, but if it ever becomes the majority that supports them in polls it will be even more extreme, likely full out ban and jailing, though they already do that to some. In the case of USA when there was mass protest against the forced bussing of black kids into white schools in the 60s, the government literally called in tanks from the national guard into the streets of suburban families.
Pro-Hamas and pro-Palestine supporters and people from LFI are certainly not traditional labour leftists, yet they still marginalized themselves because of their pro-islamist positions.
I never said they were. In their case their sin is anti-Zionism.
Still not quoting any ? Owww. Okay, still waiting.
I just listed several writers earlier on in this comment.
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Stop being antisemitic. I love jews and I don't see the problem with them. They are our natural allies imo. Who today supports the jewish right except right-wing occidentalists ? It's our best opportunity to ally with them. Because they are intelligent and modern human beings. They are the natural ally of the West and they are confronted to similar problems as we are.
Google greg lansky wikipedia and go to biography page
